Posted on 01/31/2003 12:21:22 PM PST by scripter
Introduction: There are some who quote James 1:5 in a way that pulls it out of its intended context and changes the original intent. That is, if you lack wisdom, ask God. While it's perfectly fine to ask God for wisdom according to the context and orginal intent of the author, James 1:5 is not the verse to claim for general wisdom as it is specific to wisdom in trials. I believe the Bible teaches that when we ask for wisdom, we ask with a selfless heart and that in granting the wisdom God may be glorified. There are limits on why God grants wisdom, such as if asked for selfish reasons. And pulling James 1:5 out of context puts no such limitations on what or how we request wisdom.
In verse 1 James uses the same word Paul used in Romans 1:1 and calls himself a servant of God the Father and God the Son. The word for servant can be defined as:
The first removal occurred when the people of the Northern Kingdom (whose capital was in Samaria) were conquered by the Assyrians and were carried away into captivity in Assyria (2 Kings 17:23 and 1 Chronicles 5:26).
The second removal occurred around 580 B.C. when the Babylonians conquered the Southern Kingdom (whose capital was Jerusalem), and carried the best of the people away to Babylon (2 Kings 24:14-16 and Psalm 137).
The third removal took place around 63 B.C., when Pompey conquered the Jews and took Jerusalem and many Jews were transplanted to Rome as slaves.
Still, far greater numbers of Jews left on their own free will, looking for more comfortable living conditions. Jews moved to Egypt and Syria. Alexander the Great moved 2000 Jewish families to Lydia and Phrygia. Thus, Jews were spread all over the world.
The Greek geographer, Strabo wrote: "It is hard to find a spot in the world which is not occupied and dominated by Jews." The Jewish Historian, Josephus wrote: "There is no city, no tribe, whether Greek or barbarian, in which Jewish law and Jewish customs have not taken root."
James continues with his introduction, saying: "Joy to you." Even though you are scattered among the nations and facing trials of many kinds, do not be robbed of your joy.
Therefore, in verse 1 James wrote:
To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations. Joy to you!
James never suggests to his audience that Christianity would be an easy road. In verse 2 we see just that with his use of the word trials. The Greek word for trials means: trials or testing directed towards an end. What is that end? He who is tested should emerge stronger and purer from the testing. The attached verb means strengthening and purifying.
The root word for trials can be used for trials or temptations (internal), with trials an external meaning, such as the adversity his readers are experiencing. With the external meaning, the word is used especially to refer to trials of persecution (1 Peter 4:12).
James says to consider it pure joy, or consider it all joy when we experience trials of many kinds. He doesn't say to be joyous for the trial but in the trial. The verb translated face might more literally be expressed as "fall into," much as the poor man "fell among robbers" (Luke 10:30).
In The Letters of James & Peter,pp 42-43, William Barclay wrote:
All kinds of experiences will come to us. There will be the test of sorrows and the disappointments which seek to take our faith away. There will be the test of the seductions which seek to lure us from the right way. There will be tests of the dangers, the sacrifices, the unpopularity which the Christian way must so often involve. But they are not meant to make us fall; they are meant to make us soar. They are not meant to defeat us; they are meant to be defeated. They are not meant to make us weaker; they are meant to make us stronger. Therefore we should not bemoan them; we should rejoice in them. The Christian is like the athlete. The heavier the course of training he undergoes, the more he is glad, because he knows that it is fitting him all the better for victorious effort.
James uses an interesting word for describing the testing process. It's the word for sterling coinage (genuine unalloyed money). Meeting the testing in the right way will produce much more than patience or perseverance. The word means the ability to turn testing into greatness and to glory.
To summarize verses 1-3 using the expanded Greek words and phrases:
To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations. Joy to you! Consider it pure joy when you fall into many trials because you know that the testing of your faith is directed towards an end, which when met in the right way will strengthen and purify you, and turn into greatness and glory.
Something that amazed the heathen during the persecution centuries was that the martyrs didn't die grimly. It's been told that a martyr was smiling in the flames so they asked him at what he was smiling. He responded: "I saw the glory of God and was glad." That's the type of character generated when we meet the trial in the right way, it produces greatness and glory.
Meeting the trial in the right way makes us mature. The Greek word for mature is teleios and means perfection for a given end. A sacrificial animal is teleios if it is fit to offer to God. A scholar is teleious if he is mature. A person is teleios if he is full grown.
Meeting the trial in the right way makes us complete. The word means perfect in every part. In meeting the trial in the right way we eventually remove weaknesses and imperfections.
Meeting the trial in the right way makes us lacking nothing. The word means deficient in nothing and has been used in the following ways: the defeat of an army, the giving up of a struggle and the failure to reach a standard that should have been reached.
Jesus taught that the kingdom of heaven is like a treasure so valuable that a man would sell everything he owns to obtain it and would do so "in his joy" (Matt 13:44). Paul said we "rejoice in our sufferings" because "suffering produces perseverance" (Romans 5:3). Peter said Christians should "greatly rejoice" in "all kinds of trials" (1 Peter 1:6). Perseverence isn't the end result, it's the lifestyle by which the Christian attains maturity.
To summarize verses 1-4 using the expanded Greek words and phrases:
To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations. Joy to you! Consider it pure joy when you fall into many trials because you know that the testing of your faith is directed towards an end, which when met in the right way will strengthen and purify you, and turn into greatness and glory. The ability to turn testing into greatness and glory must finish its work so that you may be perfect for a given end, with weaknesses and imperfections gone, deficient in nothing.
During the trial, if you're deficient in the wisdom to meet the trial in the right way, ask God. James speaks of the period of testing before perseverance has completed its work. During such testing, if anyone lacks or is deficient in wisdom to meet the trial in the right way, he may have it by asking.
Wisdom is not just acquired information but practical insight with spiritual implications (Prov 1:2-4; 2:10-15; 4:5-9; 9:10-12). With James' Jewish background, wisdom is a practical thing. It isn't philosophic speculation or intellectual knowledge, to James wisdom is concerned with the business of living. Wisdom is "knowledge of the things human and divine" as defined by the Stoics.
According to The Expositors Bible Commentary, volume 12, pp. 168-169:
The type of Greek conditional sentence found here assumes that people facing trials do lack wisdom. What they need is not the speculative or theoretical wisdom of a philosophical system. It is the kinds of wisdom that we read about in Proverbs (passages listed above). It is the God-given understanding that enables a person to avoid the paths of wickedness and to live a life of righteousness. In this context wisdom is understanding the nature and purpose of trials and knowing how to meet them victoriously.
James lists two examples to illustrate the spiritual dynamics of trials. The first example: lacking wisdom (5-8), the second: lacking money (9-12).
Wisdom is a perfect first example because it is so important for Christians in trials. A cry from the heart of a Christian during trials might be "What do I do?" Look at 2 Chronicles 20:12 for a great example of a need for wisdom in trials.
We can ask God for the needed wisdom without fear, for God gives without holding our failures or lack of wisdom against us. Fortunately God doesn't respond by reminding us of our faults!
To summarize James 1:1-5 using the expanded Greek meaning of the words:
To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations. Joy to you! Consider it pure joy when you fall into many trials because you know that the testing of your faith is directed towards an end, which when met in the right way will strengthen and purify you, and turn into greatness and glory. The ability to turn testing into greatness and glory must finish its work so that you may be perfect for a given end, with weaknesses and imperfections gone, deficient in nothing. If any of you while enduring a trial are deficient in wisdom to meet the trial in the right way, continue to ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.
The context tells us it's meeting the trial in the right way that makes Christians mature. If we lack the wisdom to do this, ask God. The context tells us:
The Greek sentence structure also tells us those falling into trials do indeed lack wisdom, again making the wisdom here specific to trials. Claiming this verse for anything other than wisdom to endure trials changes the original meaning, and understanding the original intent is required to have correct theology, no matter what the subject of study.
If you encounter a trial and don't have the wisdom for meeting the trial in the right way, ask God for help and don't doubt at all. The only barrier that exists is our faith. We shouldn't be afraid to ask God because of our lack of wisdom. James says he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown [horizontally] and tossed [vertically] by the wind. The image of being driven on the sea was common in Greek literature and occurs in Jewish wisdom texts, Isaiah 57:20, Ephesians 4:14 and the apocryphal Ecclesiasticus 33:2.
Jewish wisdom texts also condemn the double-minded or double-tongued person as does Psalm 12:2. Philosophers and Jewish sages abhorred the hypocrisy of saying one thing and living another, and speaking or living inconsistently.
James tells us not to be double-minded when we ask for wisdom. See James 4:8 as well. A double-minded man is a man with two souls or two minds inside him. One believes he'll receive wisdom and the other disbelieves.
When quoting Scripture we must be careful to quote in context. When requesting wisdom, God has given us the following verses and when used in context, are perfect for requesting wisdom.
If you want to properly claim Scripture it must be done in context, otherwise you can use Scripture to support just about anything.
If a Christian is going through trials they have James 1:5 as supporting Scripture when asking for wisdom to endure. The wisdom given in James 1:5 is specific to trials.
If a Christian desires wisdom for selfless reasons such as King Solomon requested to lead God's people, claim 1 Kings 3:5-14 (repeated in 2 Chronicles) in prayer.
The Matthew and Luke passages are in regards to selfless prayer. If a Christian asks for wisdom to advance the cause of Christ, to glorify God, or to further God's kingdom, Matthew and Luke are prime examples to use.
We must understand the original intent of the writer and the context to properly claim a verse in prayer.
General Bibliography
George M. Stulac, The IVP New Testament Commentary Series, James, IVP
Frank E. Gaebelein, The Expositors Bible Commentary, Volume 12, Zondervan
William Barclay, The Letters of James and Peter, Westminster Press
Walvoord & Zuck, The Bible Knowledge Commentary, New Testament, Victor Books
The Harper Collins Study Bible, NRSV, with Apocryphal books, Harper Collins
The NIV Study Bible, Zondervan
Craig S. Keener, The IVP Bible Background Commentary, New Testament, IVP
Nice dodge. We've seen no scholars that read the passage the way you read it. In fact each scholar states the wisdom in James is specific to the context of trials. You admit this yourself.
The verses James may have used as a basis for this thought, Matt 7:7 and Luke 11:9 are the verses to claim in prayer. Every scholar we've seen has said just that. In your profound ignorance of all things Greek you disagree, yet you cannot make your case from the Greek and you don't even try. Then you lambast me for actually agreeing with the Greek scholars that just so happen to come to the same conclusion I've come to while studying the same passage.
Your inability to make your case from the Greek speaks volumes.
Your inability to provide one Greek source that agrees with you speaks volumes. Despite your statements they exist, you don't provide a single reference and hide behind the sand foundation that an appeal to authority is an invalid argument. You have nothing in support of your position.
Still trying to pretend Calvin said something other than he did, huh?
Still don't understand context? Calvin states the wisdom is specific to the context and you try to ignore his statement and pull a latter statement out of context. The battle for your mind is real, Grig.
And both go on to indicate that what is said in v5 can be applied far more generally than just that, contrary to your oft stated claim.
My oft stated claim has been solid and unwavering from the beginning. That is, the idea behind asking God for wisdom can be found in Matt 7:7 and Luke 11:9. You refuse to acknowledge this fact.
You make it perfectly clear that no matter who says it, no matter how they word it, you will twist it and force the square peg of truth into the round hole of your opinion.
Nice try, Grig. You try harder than most to avoid the real issues here. That is, admitting you are changing the intent of James. At the very beginning you said pulling it out of context doesn't mean you're changing the original intent of the author. When I demonstrated you are doing just that you go into ignore mode and refuse to answer the tough questions. In fact you delete the tough questions in each post. That speaks volumes.
LOL! Calvin doesn't bring up those verses untill paragraphs later. By your own method of determining context Calvin is talking about v5 when he says it can be applied generally and you know it.
Psst. Your ignorance is showing again. You appear to forget you are reading a translation of Calvin and you use misdirection in some attempt to make it appear Calvin separates verse 5 from the references to Matt 7:7 and Luke 11:9.
The URL I provided has you greatly confused. My translation of Calvin and every other Greek scholar I've found ties verse 5 to Matt 7:7 and Luke 11:9. That you try to make it appear otherwise tells me you are not after the truth as you claim. In my translation, Calvin states the wisdom of James 1:5 is specific to trials and the next paragraph, the very next paragraph, not paragraphs later with which you try to use as misdirection; that next paragraph states the idea of asking God for wisdom probably comes from Matt 7:7 and Luke 11:9. You are trying to pull phrases from verse 5 out of context to support your eisegesis.
It might be unfair to say you are trying to use misdirection. I say that because you may not know any better due to a lack of education on the topic, which you admit yourself.
No, I don't insist on that. I insist on calling interpretaion what it is.
Yeah, that's why you refuse to answer the tough questions. I'll rephrase for the lurkers who may not have read the background:
There are indeed words in verse 5 that are also in verse 4, tying the two verses together there. There is also the "if But" at the beginning of verse 5 that ties the previous verses together, something you want to avoid admitting.
You have never answered that question as well.
You have never answered that question as well.
I said Greek is not the issue here. It must be frustrating to see all you attempts at distraction ignored.
Nice dodge again. You cannot make your case from the Greek so you say Greek is not the issue here. That speaks volumes.
If you can't make your case from the Greek you should just admit it and move on.
Not the issue, I said it was not LIMITED to just the context and you have not shown from the Greek or any other way how it is limited to only the context. Calvin comes out and says plain as day that it can be applied generally and STILL you spin and twist and dance. It would be funny if it was not so serious a subject.
Please. I have shown over and over, time and time again how the verses are all tied together in the context of trials. You even admit this. I have quoted the various scholars who agree the context of the wisdom given is specific to trials and there have been none that agree with your position. I can somewhat see your point in only reading that one translation of Calvin, which is the problem for you in not reading sources outside Mormonism. But in reading different translations of Calvin and studying the Greek, it is very obvious Calvin states the idea behind verse 5 was probably from the thoughts taught in Matt 7:7 and Luke 11:9, and their surrounding context.
And because of that, Matt 7:7 and Luke 11:9 are the general case verses to quote when requesting wisdom. James 1:5 is to the open minded reader who isn't stuck reading sources from one organization, obviously referring to trials. So you really have no excuse as I have repeatedly made my case from the Greek and you have not even tried to make your case from the Greek. BTW, this is a new paragraph but it is directly related, directly tied to the previous paragraph and the context therein.
In the morning I am starting on a new project, one that may turn into a large career change if things go well. As such I'm afraid I won't have time to watch you dance any more. So I will not be posting to this thread again and might not even see your reply to this. I'm sure you'd just be repeating yourself anyway.
Well, if that's what you want I hope you get the project. Lord willing, I have all the time in the world to continue pointing out how you refuse to answer the tough questions. I also hope you come to understand the concept of context.
I hope that in the course of your life you come to the point where you humble yourself enough to listen to the Spirit instead of trust in the wisdom of men (both alone and in groups of any size). If so, after this life we may yet gather together and have a good laugh about this.
Fortunately for my eternal well being, I try to follow the Holy Spirit as best I can and not the false guide I believe you follow. If I were to follow your guide perhaps we would meet again, but not where you might think, and there would be no laughing there. I most definitely prefer you come to follow the one true God, to follow the lead of the Holy Spirit and not some false guide.
I'll post some questions you never answered when we first started writing back and forth last year:
Please don't let yourself be trapped into reading material from any one organization. In doing so you're setting yourself up to fall for anything.
I realize you cannot see the trap you have fallen into. That is, trusting one organization to control your eternal well being. I'm praying a very specific prayer that, Lord willing, you will see the path to the one true God when it all hits the fan.
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