Utah Baby Names (That distinctive name that says, "I'm Mormon.")

The Utah Baby Namer ^ | Wes and Cari Clark

[BibChr]

Reminds me of a wonderful story I heard in the seventies. It was at a Billy Graham meeting, if I recall correctly. After the meeting, some JW's were hanging around outside to talk with the new converts and win them for the Watchtower. Then a couple of them look up, recognize a familiar figure, cry —

"Ahh! It's Walter Martin!"

— and turn tails and run for the hills.

It may be apocryphal... but it may not!

Dan

[BibChr]

Well, isn't that special? And I'm first on the list. I'm blushing.

Yeah, but you watch your back, doc! Second place is hot on your heels, and his eyes are on the prize!!

Dan

[BibChr]

As long as Mormons pretend Mormonism is Christianity, there will be and should be a response

Now, here is a genuinely serious point to ponder.

Have you ever noticed that —

• Mormons, as a whole, ALWAYS pretend to be Christians...

...BUT...

• Christians, as a whole, NEVER pretend to be Mormons

?

Funny, ain't it?

Dan
Biblical Christianity web site

[BibChr]

Wow, that is remarkable.

[Delphinium]

Does every LDS-related thread degenerate to an anti-Mormon free-for-all? Even a thread about Utah Baby Names?

I agree Harry even though I love to discuss Mormon history, and doctrine. My ancestors were among the very first to arrive in Utah. Probably where I got my name. I kinda got a kick out of this article. I don't consider everything bad about my Mormon history. Its the teachings of the church through the years that I differ with. As far as the people, I would say they are among my favorites.

[Delphinium]

Am I mocking when I cut & paste, FROM YOUR SCRIPTURES, and merely high-light in RED the things you do NOT want to talk about?

They would say you were taking it out of context, or that you are bashibg them. Anything to avoid answering the question.

[Delphinium]

Do the Mormons help those who are not Mormons?

Depends on which Mormon. They are all different just like anyone else. Some might be helping you as the try to convert you.

[P-Marlowe]

Hey, How come I'm at the bottom of that list?

Its funny, if you criticize Mormon Doctrine you are an anti-mormon bigot. You can't just be "wrong" with these people. You can't just disagree with their theology. If you disagree with their EVER CHANGING doctrine, then you are not just wrong, but you are evil. (Isn't that like criticizing liberal positions. Liberals don't just think conservatives are wrong-- they think they are evil).

Funny, but if you point out something that the Mormons used to believe with all their heart and soul and minds, but that they don't believe anymore -- like the ban on Blacks in the Priesthood-- then you are the bigot. They are not now, nor have they ever been bigots-- even when they denied the Priesthood to Blacks (it was their Ever-changing and always "growing" God that was the bigot-- not them), but if you point out these inconsistencies, then you certainly are an anti-mormon bigot!

Well it seems that some of these nice well-mannered and considerate mormons would prefer it if you and I would drop dead. Well that really takes the cake, doesn't it?

[Delphinium]

My hope is that their irritation with us is truth being revealed to them. It is very hard for them to admit the truth about their religion, thats why they have to explain away their founders teachings, and actions.

[Utah Girl]

I'm not so worried about what other Christians think about me, what truly matters is what Jesus Christ thinks of me on Judgement Day. Have I lived the way he taught in the New Testament? That is what counts.

[Illbay]

That you consider yourself the "troubler" of a moderately large city in the United States says a great deal about you.

At your next visit, suggest to your therapist that you explore issues surrounding "delusions of grandeur."

You may find a great deal of healing.

[P-Marlowe]

They say that if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that barks the loudest is the one that got hit.

When I was an LDS, I did not look upon those who were trying to show me the error of my ways as being evil, I just thought they were wrong. They did not hate me, in fact, I knew that they actually had my best interests at heart. I had their best interests at heart. We both had the same motives-- to show the other person the error of their ways. Turned out, I was the one that was wrong.

I can only thank God that my heart was not so hardened that I was unable to see the truth when God revealed it to me.

[restornu]

Christians are still Followers of Jesus Christ...

BUT.....

Latter Day Saints are Sanctified in Jesus Christ!

By the power of the Melchizedek Priesthood.

[Utah Girl]

Let me qualify my last statment, I hit Send before I finished my thoughts. It matters how I live Jesus Christ's teachings, that is how I will be judged. I do believe that his gospel has been restored in these latter days, that we have the fullness. I will seek truth and His teachings. I will let Him be my judge.

[BibChr]

If by "lived the way he taught" you include subjecting your thinking and beliefs to His word, the Bible, I couldn't agree more!! And that puts the whole matter of spirituality on such an objective plane, just as Jesus Himself says: judge by fruits.

This is how you know that no one can be comfortable in the Mormon cult, and walk with Jesus, at the same time. They call in opposite directions. You can read it in black and white, no indigestion or anything. Praise Him for His wisdom, truth and goodness!

Dan

[BibChr]

Nice try. Feel better?

So now, back to the facts...

Still standing untouched:

1. Massive numbers of gods != one God

2. Grace + Faith + Works != by grace alone through faith alone

Dan

[BibChr]

<< Latter Day Saints are Sanctified in Jesus Christ! By the power of the Melchizedek Priesthood. >>

Not possible. How can heretics who deny God's fundamental truths be sanctified?

Sanctification is to be found in Jesus Christ alone — and He is outside the Mormon cult (Hebrews 10:10).

Dan

[restornu]

You must be in your early 20's

[BibChr]

"Restored in the latter days"? If you mean the days of Christ's coming, the Gospel has indeed been manifested (Hebrews 1:1, 2). Since then, it has never been lost; it has always been there, clear as a bell, in 1 Corinthians 15:1ff, and all over His Word.

If by "restored" you mean — as I hope you do not — "restored" in a cult headed up by a mental case which features denying and perverting fundamental Biblical doctrines (the oneness of God, salvation by faith alone through grace alone, and so on ad inf.), then you couldn't be further from the truth.

And in that case Jesus has indeed judged you. He has pronounced you damned, if you continue in a perversion of His good news (Galatians 1:8, 9).

Dan

[BibChr]

You must be white.