An Open Letter to the Church Renouncing My Service on I.C.E.L.

Communicantes (Newsletter of the Society of St. Pius X in Canada) ^ | October 2002 | Rev. Fr. Stephen Somerville

[drstevej]

I do not despise you at all. And I appreciate the kind words. I appreciate the opportunity to be a "nice heretic" and make some comments, ask some questions and exchange ideas. I understand the intensity of the threads given the depth of conviction on both sides.

[patent]

Looks just as bad to me.

Oh it looks plenty bad to me as well, but that wasn’t my point, which seems to have flown past most traditionalists here. I think those it was intended for understood it, so I’ll leave it there.

(Sorry it's so big. Is there some way to control the size, since you're just linking to a picture posted elsewhere?)

Yes.

< img src=http://www.visi.com/~patent/Children.jpg height=77 width=52 > gives you:

Sincerely,

Old what’s-his-name who is purportedly getting all bent out of shape or something like that.

[Zviadist]

If you are "received into full communion", then prior to your reception, you were not in "full communion". This is a matter of understanding English.

There is still the matter of explicitly lifting the censure of those who were "formally schismatic". The Vatican did not do so. You cannot deny reality.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I haven't seen pictures of a hula Mass, but here is a photo of the "clown Mass."

LOL...do you guys REALLY do this, and if yes, what for?

BigMack

[ultima ratio]

Simple. The Pope was wrong. He is often wrong. Here he contradicts his own canon law. The document, by the way, is not infallible, nor has the Pope claimed it was.

[sitetest]

Dear ultima ratio,

"It is immaterial what Rome gives."

Ah, yes. Change the subject. Sure sign you've been beaten.

"The irony here is that it is Rome who is actually seeking legitimacy."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Which is why the CHURCH gets to pick CAMPOS' bishops, and not the other way around. Right??

ROTFLMAO. GHAHAILSH (Gonna have a heart attack I'm laughing so hard).

You keep telling that to yourself, ultima.

I'll continue to remember you when I say the Rosary.


sitetest

[Desdemona]

THen why was what's-his-name getting all bent out of shape by the previous poster's reference to them?

I don't know. But the constant, we're right and you're wrong, etc., is not only getting old but gets in the way of real discussion.

[Zviadist]

They say a picture speaks a thousand words....

[Catholicguy]

<> Is it possible this was a Mass intended for the spiritual benefit of those empolyed as clowns? I mean, those dressed as clowns seem rather subdued and self-contained. Mebbe they were just depressed because the prist wouldn't allow their little car into the Church<>

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Is the hula Mass, and clown Mass part of what you have been talking about?

BigMack

[patent]

I haven't seen pictures of a hula Mass, but here is a photo of the "clown Mass."

LOL...do you guys REALLY do this, and if yes, what for?

There are liberal Catholics who try to make the Mass "relevant" for particular groups. They do children’s masses, clown masses, etc. It really misses the point of the Mass, and I doubt any of us here actually do this. I just want the Mass, without any silly modifiers on it.

patent  +AMDG

[sitetest]

Dear Zviadist,

You are at least an honest schismatic. There can be no Campos for you.

So, I guess Campos gave something significant in return. Or at least in your own mind, and so you are honest enough to admit it.

God's blessings to you. May He enlighten the darkened corners of your mind and heart.


sitetest

[ultima ratio]

Interesting how you Prostolics think. You despise traditionalists who practice the true faith but love witchdoctors and voodoo priests and welcome them into the big tent. Unity in diversity and all that...

[Catholicguy]

Never. The New "Mass" is illegitimate I have a suggestion, in all seriousness. We have extended this thread far beyond what we normally do. Because your last name begins with "Z" I propose we stop this thread and let you have the last word in post #666. I can' think of a more apporpriate way to end the thead given your thoughts <>

[Catholicguy]

<> Then, post more pictures and less of your own words so we can save space<>

[ultima ratio]

A part--not a big part. The problem is with the new Mass, period. It is Protestant, not Catholic.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

<> Then, post more pictures and less of your own words so we can save space<>

Ok, Catholicguy staring in....

BigMack

[sitetest]

Dear Zviadist,

"There is still the matter of explicitly lifting the censure of those who were 'formally schismatic'. The Vatican did not do so. You cannot deny reality."

It is you who deny reality. Even your beloved SSPX reports, via Mr. Fellay:

"The censures 'possibly incurred' (sic) will be lifted."

Other reports record that the excommunication was lifted.

The Campos priests, themselves, in their August 2001 letter to the Holy Father, explicitly admit that they have been "juridically excluded" from the Catholic Church, and they apologize for any actions on their part which led to that (you can look up the letter for yourself - it can be readily googled - you should read it yourself, the humility of these priests in admitting all error obviously moved our Holy Father to deal with them in leniency and mercy).

But your post is still quite funny. Having been shown that the Campos folks were outside of the Church, and that your own citation of being "received into full communion" proved that you were wrong to assert that they were outside the Church, now you drop that battle, having been defeated, and take up the next. Without so much as a la-de-da. LOL.

Your chutzpah is admirable.


sitetest

[Catholicguy]

By their fruit you will know them.

<> One of tne fruits of Vatican I was the Old Catholics. One of the fruits of Vatican II is the Neo-Old Catholics. "The more things change...."

<>" Filled with ideas of ecclesiastical Liberalism and rejecting the Christian spirit of submission to the teachings of the Church, nearly 1400 Germans issued, in September, 1870, a declaration in which they repudiated the dogma of Infallibility "as an innovation contrary to the traditional faith of the Church"

You and your ilk are no different, in principle, than the Old Catholics<>