Priest Faces Removal from Arlington Diocese

The Washington Times ^ | Nov 13, 2002 | George Archibald

[ninenot]

Y'all is second place plural

In standard Rebel English (as taught in all Johnny Reb schools,) "y'all" is both second person singular and plural.

[RobbyS]

It is not singlar unless you are talking to the head of a clan.

[Dr. Scarpetta]

bump

[Petronski]

"No_particular_harbor"

I pray that the poison leaching into that man's soul can be washed away.

[Maximilian]

You make some really good points about hierarchy and corruption. I think that's why reading this deposition really affected me. It became one man's story of fighting against corruption instead of just statistics. As Stalin said, "One death is a tragedy, but a million deaths is just a statistic."

This deposition reminded me a lot of the Raymond Chandler detective stories. As Chandler described it, it's just one man plunging into the line like a fullback over and over again. And there's nothing in it for him except pain. But he just won't admit that a lie is the truth. Of course Chandler was writing about the powers-that-be in 1930's Los Angeles, not the Catholic Church. Apparently the modus operandi never changes too much.

Fr Haley was not a hero or a saint to start off. You can see from the deposition that he had made a few tentative inquiries earlier, but he didn't really get serious until this situation cost him the pastorship that he was promised. At that point he could have just gone along for the ride, and smoothed things over and gotten his promotion. Instead he decided to tough it out all the way.

Loverde is trying to get him laicized. For a priest, that's his identity as a person. So Fr. Haley is risking more than just money or position.

Like Fr. Haley, Lambert has lost everything, his wife, his children, his whole life, his identity as a person. His lawsuit against the diocese never had a chance. But something good has come out of it already. The truth has been revealed.

[RobbyS]

I agree. Haley is/was naive and wised up only after he was slammed in the face. He went about gathering evidence even though those he showed it to already knew what he was finding out and was interested only in supressing the evidence. That meant supressing him, of course. Let us hope there is some good bishop out there who is willing to take him in, even though that means going against the rest of the hierarchy.

[RobbyS]

Shows what happens when the bishops accept the "gay but chaste" nonsense. Whatever the shrinks say, I think there is something pathological about homosexuality.

[Dajjal]

Horrifying deposition -- thanks for the ping!

[BlackElk]

Nice catch. That was one_particular_harbor, a Louisville, KY lawyer, former prosecutor, with a lawsuit against the execrable Louisville Archdiocese for ancient evils, a Jimmy Buffet fan, and sometiome GOP activist who favors social libertinism and specialized in stirring up trouble between Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics.

[BlackElk]

1. You are apparently operating under the curious French Revolutionary conceit that the government is somehow more worthy of obedience than is Holy Mother the Church or even God Himself.

2. I suspect that you are about to regularly find that many "conservative RCs" neither whimper nor wring their hands nor are cowed by anything whatever much less by the impudent likes of you.

3. Fr. Haley will ultimately receive his necessary support from people within the Church who believe in what he has done and despise the careerists like Loverde and not from hypocrites outside the Church who use Fr. Haley's circumstances as the occasion of cheap shots against the Roman Catholic Church.

4. In a world occupied by you, why would we who are Catholic be particularly surprised that there is sin in the hierarchy or in the rectories. Satan is a lot more interested in corrupting our bishops and priests than he needs to be about corrupting you.

5. Why is this any of your business in any event?

6. Have we made your miserable existence that much more miserable from afar than you have made it up close that you find yourself obsessed with matters Catholic which are not your own? You have too much time on your hands.

7. Imagine yourself dancing with the misnamed "Goddess of Reason" upon the desecrated altar of Notre Dame cathedral. Imagination is as far as you are going to get.

[The Elk lifts the perp up on his non-conductive antlers and pitches him over the rail into the abyss from which no perp, not even an emperor, shall return. Tosses some Holy Water after him for good measure.]

Be gone!

[ultima ratio]

What slander could be worse than the truth about the New Church? No, it is you who slander the poster for merely telling the truth when he says that conservative Catholics like yourself are blameworthy for being too docile towards prelates, including the Pontiff himself, anf for making too many excuses. Who else is ultimately responsible for what has been going on in every diocese in every western country for decades? --By their fruits you will know them!

[ultima ratio]

You are too discreet. Fr. Haley had proof of horrors beyond imagining in every parish to which he was assigned: a pastor committing adultery with a parishioner's wife; a sado-masochistic pastor anally raping a hired man in the living room of the rectory; a naked assistant pastor asking that a male prostitute be sent up to his bedroom pronto; hundreds of thousands of dollars stolen by still another priest to pay for trips to Las Vegas with his gay priest friends; a pile of kiddie porn that would amaze even the owner of an adult book shop. This is just one straight priest's story in just three successive assignments. It is apparently a typical diocese. When he presented his evidence to the bishop, the bishop began his persecution, eventually suspending his faculties. Where do these bishops come from? Who recommends such sickos to the Vatican? Why wasn't reform instituted by Rome twenty years ago?

[RobbyS]

It is apparently a typical diocese

I think you need to go to a law library and read a few case books. You will never look at your next door neighbors again in the same light. And you will be both enlighted and benighted. To take such cases as the whole of life is is what lead Calvin to his black view of human nature, to his view of Romans and his theory of predestination. What he saw in the English civil war lead to Hobbes' view of life as the war of all against all. Under cover a civil war occurs daily, and we tend to forget that, nonetheless, we appearance of peace is closer to reality. In the end, I prefer Hobbes to Calvin , because he personally came to terms with what he had seen. I prefer St. John of the Cross yo either, because he saw the full meaning of the gospel statement that the light shines in the darkness and the darkness grasps it not. With the scales now fallen from his eyes, Father Haley can now avail himself of the grace that God has given. Pray for him as I hope he is praying for himself and for us.

[malakhi]

You have freepmail.

[BlackElk]

Cronin is an archbishop although people in the Hartford Archdiocese would have trouble recognizing him since he spends about half of his time on Cape Cod and the other half selling off Church properties to fund the checks written to those claiming lavender abuse. Cronin's eagerly awaited 75th birthday resignation is within sight. Hartford desperately needs another Catholic archbishop like John F. Whealon who preceded Cronin and one who understands the necessity of firing the accumulated malcontents and the fat, sleek and corrupt bureaucrats.

I have read the deposition and it seems obvious that the Diocese of Arlington is in need of fumigation. It is also obvious that Bishop Loverde is in need of removal from his office, removal from the diocese and removal from the priesthood.

[BlackElk]

Cronin is an archbishop although people in the Hartford Archdiocese would have trouble recognizing him since he spends about half of his time on Cape Cod and the other half selling off Church properties to fund the checks written to those claiming lavender abuse. Cronin's eagerly awaited 75th birthday resignation is within sight. Hartford desperately needs another Catholic archbishop like John F. Whealon who preceded Cronin and one who understands the necessity of firing the accumulated malcontents and the fat, sleek and corrupt bureaucrats.

I have read the deposition and it seems obvious that the Diocese of Arlington is in need of fumigation. It is also obvious that Bishop Loverde is in need of removal from his office, removal from the diocese and removal from the priesthood.

[malakhi]

In the end, I prefer Hobbes to Calvin

;o)

[BlackElk]

That credibility is particularly weak in the Fort Worth diocese where your Bishop Delaney has recruited a disgraced priest from Rhode Island who embezzled Church funds to take teenaged boys on trips to the Caribbean for whatever reasn to be the Fort Worth diocesan official in charge of BOY SCOUTS!!!!!! Since you are a deacon there, what are you doing about your own diocese while you complain about others? Not that Loverde does not deserve to share a condo in outer darkness with your own bishop.

What's your take on Delaney and his "old friend" from Rhode Island? America wants to know.

BTW, did you notice that Archbishop Eldon Curtiss of Omaha, Nebraska (the state with America's best collection of bishops) whom you also are in the unjustified habit of maligning was the sponsor of an amendment to the bishops' policy on abuse to make THE BISHOPS accountable for coverups but that his amendment was defeated?