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The Unity of the Orthodox Church
orthodox america ^ | Priest Andrew Phillips

Posted on 11/07/2002 10:32:05 AM PST by MarMema

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To: katnip
Linked page is an essay by then Archpriest Alexey Young. He ia s spiritual son of Father Deraphim Rose of blessed memory. Father Alexey has recently been tonsured a monf as Father Ambrose.

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41 posted on 11/15/2002 2:39:28 AM PST by don-o
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...actually tonsured a monk.

Not sure what a monf is?

42 posted on 11/15/2002 2:56:05 AM PST by don-o
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Thanks for the link don-o. I do have a few comments.

Same as St Paul's. He wrote to the Ephesians that the foundation is "the apostles (plural) and prophets; Jesus Christ being the chief cornerstone."

Ok. This however does not negate the fact that Christ chose Peter as the Rock on which his Church is built.

Keys and loosing and binding are entrusted to the Apostles and all their successors; not just to St Peter.

Nowhere is it recorded the other Apostles received the keys. “I will give you (singular) the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. “

While it is true the authority of binding and loosing belonged to all the Apostles , the power of the keys, authority to open and shut, was unique to Peter.

The history of the Apostolic Council (Acts, Chapter 15) speaks especially clearly against the supremacy of the Apostle Peter. The Antiochian Christians appeal not to the Apostle Peter for the resolution of their perplexity, as should have occurred if we are to believe the Catholic dogma, but to all the apostles and pres-byters.

This Council speaks clearly regarding the Primacy of Peter. It was to Peter that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48). At the Jerusalem council where the Aposltes met to discuss this issue, "Peter, rising up" spoke to them, after which "all the multitude held their peace" (Acts 15.7-12).

43 posted on 11/15/2002 5:14:44 AM PST by pegleg
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Ok. This however does not negate the fact that Christ chose Peter as the Rock on which his Church is built.

Well, that is what we are talking about here. Is it the Apostle Peter or as St Paul tells us, or the apostles (plural.)?

Nowhere is it recorded the other Apostles received the keys. “I will give you (singular) the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Strange that it is not recorded in the Acts of the Apostles, that when the council was convened about the Gentiles, that Peter did not jump up and show the other apostles that he had the keys, and would decide the question.

Rather, a rather unknown apostle, James, presided.

44 posted on 11/15/2002 5:51:29 PM PST by don-o
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Well, that is what we are talking about here. Is it the Apostle Peter or as St Paul tells us, or the apostles (plural.)?

You must have a foundation before you can lay a cornerstone. Christ very clearly tells us that he will build his Church upon the rock, which is Peter.

Strange that it is not recorded in the Acts of the Apostles, that when the council was convened about the Gentiles, that Peter did not jump up and show the other apostles that he had the keys, and would decide the question.

Peter was not a dictator. He let the other Apostles speak on the matter and then he spoke. After which, the debate ended.

Rather, a rather unknown apostle, James, presided.

No mystery here don-o, the Council was held in his Diocese.

45 posted on 11/16/2002 5:14:58 AM PST by pegleg
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You must have a foundation before you can lay a cornerstone. Christ very clearly tells us that he will build his Church upon the rock, which is Peter.

So was St Paul wrong when he said that the foundation is the apostles and prophets?

46 posted on 11/16/2002 7:57:18 AM PST by don-o
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So was St Paul wrong when he said that the foundation is the apostles and prophets?

Of course not. Christ refers to building the foundation upon a rock in his Sermon on the Plain from Luke 6.

"He is like to a man building a house, who digged deep and laid the foundation upon a rock. And when a flood came, the stream beat vehemently upon that house: and it could not shake it: for it was founded on a rock.

But he that heareth and doth not is like to a man building his house upon the earth without a foundation: against which the stream beat vehemently. And immediately it fell: and the ruin of that house was great. "(Luke 6:48-49)

Was St. John Chrysostom wrong when he said:

"And why, then, passing by the others, does He converse with Peter on these things? (John 21:15). He was the chosen one of the Apostles, and the mouth of the disciples, and the leader of the choir. " (Chrysostom, In Joan. Hom. 1xxxviii. n. 1, tom. viii)

47 posted on 11/17/2002 7:19:23 AM PST by pegleg
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