Principles of Literal Bible Interpretation

Bible Truth ^ | Revised, Aug 2001 | Cooper P. Abrams, III

[nate4one]

Mom, the time of the gentiles is the time that the Roman army shattered the power of the Holy people in AD 70.

Lu 21:24 - they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led captive among all nations; and Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Revelation and Daniel clean up this somehow misunderstood phrase.

Re 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

These are not coincidenses. All of this happpened as Christ said. Somehow the church made a simple event and complicated it. But just as jesus said, and as long as was told to Daniel and John, it happened THEN!!

Luke21:20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. 21:21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it; 21:22 for these are days of vengeance, to fulfil all that is written. ................Lu 21:24 - they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led captive among all nations; and Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. ..............32 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all has taken place.
....... Re 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

There is no coincidence that 37 years from Christ's ascention, Jerusalem was surrounded by armies (Luke 21:20)
3 1/2 years later the temple was utterly destroyed (Matt 23:38, 24:1-3) and the power of Judaism was SHATTERED as Daniel said (Daniel 12:7).

THAT fulfilled all (Daniel 12:7, Luke 21:22).

God Bless Nate

[nate4one]

Amills and preterists alike believe that it happened already to the Jews. Not that there was no such real thing. It is simply a past event.
Nate

[Jean Chauvin]

Interestingly, the Pre-mil crowd sees a return to animal butchering...er....sacrifice during the "millennial kingdom". They attempt to justify this by noting that we, too, practice a memorial commemmorating Christ's work on the cross. This is the Lord's Supper.

However, this is a memorial done in his absense, which will cease at his return:

1 Corinthians 11
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

When he comes again, we will need no memorial -Lord's Supper ~OR~ Animal Sacrifice- for we will forever be in his presense!

Come quickly Lord Jesus!

Jean

[RnMomof7]

My point was that you were making fun of the amils for "spiritualizing verses"...ya gotta be consistant

[Jean Chauvin]

Correction!

"Amills and preterists alike believe that it happened already to the Jews. Not that there was no such real thing. It is simply a past event. Nate"

Speak for yourself, nate!

Jean

[xzins]

Why would you make fun of the sacrificial system that God instituted? Even if you disagree with someone's understanding of the millennium, that's a far cry from besmirching the system set up by God as a PRE-FIGURING of the sacrifice of Christ.

Incidentally, if God can PRE-figure by the sacrifice of a lamb or bull or goat, why can't he Post-figure?

[RnMomof7]

The way I count it xzins..Christ comes for the saints first (if you are pre trib)..but he does not stay long.(ya gotta count it as a coming because He has to leave His throne and come here to get the saints ).

Then He comes to rule and reign...

Then He comes to judge...

When do the unsaved dead come out of the grave?

So there is a second, and third and fourth coming...when do the unsaved come out of the graves?

[xzins]

My point was that you were making fun of the amils for "spiritualizing verses"...ya gotta be consistant

It's the interpretive process, Rn. The Lord in John 6 clearly says the "body/blood" words are "spirit." In other words, the Bible tells us to take them spiritually/symbolically/figuratively. That is the whole point.

Also, Hebrews clearly tells us the OT sacrifices were figurative. Again, we have the Bible telling us to view all animal sacrifices figuratively.

That's the whole point of the "literal" interpretation threads.....this thread.

You must find legitimate scripture/context for "symbolizing" anything. As long as you do, you're behaving fairly with the Bible. If you don't have scripture/context saying you can take it figuratively, then you are just placing your own opinion into a tough spot of scripture.

Also, thanks to all for the prayer earlier today. It was awesome!!

[nate4one]

I am talking about the great tribulation.

Or do you disagree with Gentry.

And I see you follow Doc. Refusing to answer SCRIPTURAL challenges to your interpretations concerning a physical resurrection.
Nate

[xzins]

Well...whatever. We count differently.

As long as you have been told how the Bible explains it in Rev 20, 1 Co 15, and 1 Thes 4 then the interpretation you believe is up to you....whether amil, premil, postmil, preterist, etc.

Your post doesn't show you understood what I said, but at least you were told it.

[xzins]

Since amillennialism has three basic camps: historicist, futurist, and preterist -- and some of these can overlap -- which camp are you in and why? (I understand that amil doesn't accept full preterism but it does accept more than partial preterism....it's a "near complete preterism.")

[xzins]

animal butchering...

What I said earlier to Ambassador -- Why would you make fun of the sacrificial system that God instituted? Even if you disagree with someone's understanding of the millennium, that's a far cry from besmirching the system set up by God as a PRE-FIGURING of the sacrifice of Christ. Incidentally, if God can PRE-figure by the sacrifice of a lamb or bull or goat, why can't he Post-figure?

It was never the fact of animal sacrifice that God rejected with His people, it was that their hearts were wrong.

[xzins]

What do you mean by being technically "post-trib?"

[RnMomof7]

Also, Hebrews clearly tells us the OT sacrifices were figurative. Again, we have the Bible telling us to view all animal sacrifices figuratively.

It is my understanding that the individual sacrifices made by men "covered unintentional sin" ..the day of atonmement covered the" intentional sin" by the actions of the high Priest

IF they served NO purpose but figurative..why did they STOP? The stopped because the PERFECT had come...so why do you want to bring back the imperfect?

That's the whole point of the "literal" interpretation threads.....this thread. You must find legitimate scripture/context for "symbolizing" anything. As long as you do, you're behaving fairly with the Bible.

You mean like Trees??:>)

[xzins]

"Pet verse"....it's an ENTIRE TWO CHAPTERS!! Just Read Rev 19 & 20. They give the sequence. I didn't make it up. Battle, 1st Resurrection, 1000 years, 2nd resurrection and Great White Throne Judgment. It's probably the most carefully explained, chronologically sequenced portion of the entire Bible -- but that's not good enough for a symbolist. The chronology of other scripture is CAREFULLY explained in Rev 19 & 20. They are so explicit that they are in control.

So, then, if you're so sure SATAN IS BOUND TODAY, then tell ALL of us what it is that he can't do that is NEW for this day? We're waiting. (And have been for a long time.)

Isaiah 65 says "will die." We say it cannot be in the New Heavens and New Earth. We say it must be in the millennial kingdom.

You say there is "symbolic" death in the New Heavens and New Earth. Now what lesson is your supposed symbol trying to tell us about the new creation of Rev 21 & 22?

[Corin Stormhands]

What do you mean by being technically "post-trib?"

Yeah. What he said.

[xzins]

You mean like Trees??:>) No. I don't think you're behaving fairly with that tree metaphor in Is 65. You interpret it as "eternal life" and I interpret it as "long life." But, whatever....we all make our choices.

[RnMomof7]

    Zec 14:4   And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.   

  Zec 14:5   And ye shall flee [to] the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, [and] all the saints with thee.

     Zec 14:6   And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the light shall not be clear, [nor] dark:   

  Zec 14:7   But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, [that] at evening time it shall be light.

     Zec 14:8   And it shall be in that day, [that] living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

     Zec 14:9   And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

     Zec 14:10   All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and [from] the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.   

  Zec 14:11   And [men] shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

Act 1:11   Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Indeed I await the Day when Jesus will come and stand on the mount to judge the world

    Mat 24:29   Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

     Mat 24:30   And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mar 14:62   And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

     Mat 24:31   And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    Rev 1:7   Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

[computerjunkie]

The question is this: are those 2 separated by up to 7 years...

Just sneaking in here to say my answer to this question is "yes". Guess that means everybody knows what I am, huh? But those who know me already could probably have told you what my answer would be!! :)

Back to lurking...

[Jean Chauvin]

"...historicist, futurist, and preterist..."

Define the terms and I'll let you know.

I'm more than a little wary about how ~you~ define words.

Jean