JPII: Church's Social Work Is Not Political, Gospel Message Must Accompany Aid

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[ThomasMore]

Hey eithor the council of Trent is right or it is wrong..talk to your church not to me

Hi Mom!

You feelin' OK today? You been checked for dementia? (only kiddin') How's the flame suit? LOL!

Mom, you don't understand what the Church means by there is no salvation outside the Church (the anathema associated with this cannot pertain to Mother Teresa because she never said anything of the sort)!

We're talkin' to you because you lack the true meaning of the anathema. Read and reread with an open heart the following...

 

CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH

DECLARATION
"DOMINUS IESUS"
ON THE UNICITY AND SALVIFIC UNIVERSALITY 
OF JESUS CHRIST AND THE CHURCH

 

 

Mother Teresa means nothing to me..

She should!!  She is the best model of a Christ-like life in modern times that we've had.  Would that the world was filled with her type of Christian.  But I guess you wouldn't understand any of this because you believe in predestination and no free will and therefore we have no role to play in our personal salvation and relationship to Christ.  You don't believe in ANY good works having to do with salvation.  We Catholics believe that we are saved by grace, and our faith and works cooperate with it!

PS: The Church has never condemned ANYONE to HELL!  It has excommunicated but never condemned to hell.  Calvinists may do that! I know from experience! ;^)

[fortheDeclaration]

Maybe because they can't? And it easier to bait her and attack her?

Amen!

[RnMomof7]

There are plenty of citations of her words , she said them often. ....so was Trent wrong? Is there an exception for good works? Cause then Becky and I are home free:>)

"I love all religions. ... If people become better Hindus, better Muslims, better Buddhists by our acts of love, then there is something else growing there." (12/4/89)

[nickcarraway]

Your original statement is highly deceptive, then.

Excuse me, but"

"I love all religions. ... If people become better Hindus, better Muslims, better Buddhists by our acts of love, then there is something else growing there." (12/4/89)

Does not equal:

"If one is a good Hindu, or of any other faith, and a good believing person in that faith, then that person will go to heaven."

I see nothing about heaven in the former statement.

[nickcarraway]

If good works are important, then why does Jesus spend most of his time talking about them?

[Polycarp]

Oh look, the usual suspects are here to p!ss all over yet another Catholic thread.

I must confess, I did ping RnMomof7 to this article.

Obviously, she did not disappoint.

No Christian in their right mind would consign Mother Teresa to Hell. He service and humble witness to the Gospel spoke louder and more eloquently than any sola scriptura preacher who ever walked the earth. To mock Mother Teresa is to mock God Himself. To attack her is to attack the Gospel so evident in her every act and word. Only a fool would dare mock God by consigning one of His greatest witnesses to Hell.

And that speaks volumes about the false interpretations of scripture that lead such a fool into such reckless and unChristian rhetoric.

Like I said, Pavlov would have been proud.

Except Pavlov's dog's at least were trained to simply salivate to the ringing of a bell.

The dogs here bite their own tail to the ringing of the bell of Truth. They're like veritable marionettes.

[RnMomof7]

In the Bible we read that they thought Jesus was a nut..so your tongue in cheek "joke " blesses me in His name

Thomas I may be nuts ...But I know something very few Catholics (you included it seems) do not know .There is no salvation in works.Mother Teresa will not go to heaven or hell based on her works anymore than you or I will...

The Council of Trent cursed those that were reformers with excommunication..Mother Teresa words put her in that class

I also know Rome does not decide the fate of any soul..that is done by Him that sits on the right hand of the Father..so Rome may call someone a saint that burns in the pit and it will not change their fate...I also know that those they cursed for leaving to follow Him are blessed and safe in the arms of the Father..

Council of Trent

Canon 9. If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone,[114] meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema.

So how many non Catholic Saints are there cannonized...cause she is out or Trent was wrong:>)

[RnMomof7]

I isnt? How about this?

The interview was conducted 11/23/84 at the Pashupati Temple.

Q: Do you believe if they die believing in Shiva or in Ram [Hindu gods] they will go to heaven?

A: Yes, that is their faith. My own faith will lead me to God, ... So if they have believed in their god very strongly, if they have faith, surely they will be saved.

[RnMomof7]

If good works are important, then why does Jesus spend most of his time talking about them?


Point me to a scripture where Jesus says good works save you

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Oh look, the usual suspects are here to p!ss all over yet another Catholic thread.

Don't you guys have ANYTHING else to do?

GenXFreedomFighter only rouses himself from his torpor to cajole other Warriors to be more interesting - without, of course, ever contributing anything of interest himself. He has limited weaponry at his disposal, but his majestic affectation of boredom provides an effective defense to attacks. When pressed in battle he will announce his intention of moving on to a more stimulating forum, but instead he will generally lurk quietly until the threat passes.

BigMack

[RnMomof7]

I fear for your eternity Poly you were saved by the grace of God..not the church ..but now you want to forsake your salvation and return to works..God will not be mocked..

[MarMema]

You have to define faith further to make it saving, by your doctrine. I thought even the devils believed and trembled.

[nickcarraway]

What does Jesus say the two greatest commandments are?

[MarMema]

And, you have to admit that Christ did promote merciful acts. "I was hungry and ye gave me meat..."

You can't go so far out on the faith thing as to completely disregard works, or do you? I think one extreme is as bad as the other.

[RnMomof7]

Agreed ..The devils do believe and tremble....


. God's way of making men righteous requires faith in Jesus
Christ - Ro 3:22
a. We must believe in Him, or die in our sins - Jn 8:24
b. We must believe in Him, if we desire eternal life - Jn 20:
30-31
A way of salvation available to all who believe in Jesus - Ro
3:22-23
a. There is no difference (between Jew and Gentile)
b. For all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God
(chapters 1-3)
-- It is not just faith that saves, but faith in Jesus Christ, who
died for our sins!

We must have a saving faith in the completed work of Jesus Christ

[Polycarp]

you want to forsake your salvation and return to works..

Thank you for once again judging a Catholic's soul, Momo7.

How's Joseph Smith, by the way? Its you and him that'll stand at God's right hand reporting to God the works and deeds and faith of men, right?

That's why you feel that its your perogative to judge mens' souls. It must be, I certainly can find no scriptural basis for YOU judging MY soul, or Mother Teresa's.

[RnMomof7]

good works give legs to our faith...THAT is how the world sees Jesus..BUT even heathans do good work so we have to glorify God in our good works ..does that makes sense?

[RnMomof7]

Only going by what I read poly...If you still hold onto your salvation by the Grace of God you need to bring others with you..Like Esther "for just such a time"

[MarMema]

I guess your view is the truly optimistic one, in that the faith itself is going to take root and be productive...because believing in Christ is essential, but how about baptism and acts of virtue, which we would *hope* are going to follow the newcomer in his or her faith?

I think we have to also "work" toward becoming like Christ once we have faith. Let's see, what is that parable about the seeds and some that fell into rocks? You know, I am sure! :-) Is that not applicable here?

[JesseShurun]

I was impressed that His Emminence talked about feeding them some real vittles for a change. Is Mother Theresa in hell? I think I read where all she cared about was that a body that she came across, lying in the street and dying, was that this person have a clean quiet place to die. She did what she did in the spirit of Christ, from what I undertand, and perhaps most of the dying were too far gone to receive anything else. If you have ever been with dying people at the end, you know that sometimes they're already somewhere else, long before they go. I believe that she did what she could, with a Christian spirit. Is she a saint? No more than the rest of the church, certainly no less than most.IMHO