Question the Practice of Halloween... Or the Christian Practice of Satanism

The Sir Francis Dashwood Journal | 10-31-02 | Sir Francis Dashwood

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Actually, we always looked upon it as our victory...

Who is we? Mouse in your pocket?

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...now they are merely children's games.

Satanism is fun for all ages...

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

I'm going to be the "Statue of Liberty" this year.

Ghastly French curse, liberals think it is part of Constitutional verse...

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My 10 year old plans on being some kind of creepy guy.

He's not planning for college?

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

By the way, care to defend the wholesale slaughter of other human beings by atheist regimes (USSR, Red China, Pot Pot's Cambodia)?

False dichotomy, ad hominem abusive, ad hominem circumstantial, ad hominem to quoque, red herring, straw man, fallacy of false cause non-causa, fallacy of accident, hasty generalization and weak analogy...

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

It is much like the idolatry of astrology. The planets bear the names of Greek gods and titans. People will defend the practice most vigorously and argue about the accuracy.

Consider the idolatry of Feng shui (unsure of spelling). The Chinese idolatry of furniture arrangement. Amazing.

If they claim to have "faith," where is it placed, upon what is it built? In their God or in Mammon?

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Simple, alternate side of the street parking
being suspended for the day.

Bravo! Whitty. Intelligent.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Isn't it amazing and predictable how Satan has made evil seem fun?

Part III. Of a Christian Commonwealth.

Chap. xxxviii. Of Eternal Life, Hell, Salvation, and Redemption.

[12] And first, for the tormentors, we have their nature and properties exactly and properly delivered by the names of the Enemy (or Satan), the Accuser (or Diabolus), the Destroyer (or Abaddon). Which significant names (Satan, Devil, Abaddon) set not forth to us any individual person, as proper names do, but only an office or quality, and are therefore appellatives, which ought not to have been left untranslated (as they are in the Latin and modern Bibles), because thereby they seem to be the proper names of demons, and men are the more easily seduced to believe the doctrine of devils, which at that time was the religion of the Gentiles, and contrary to that of Moses, and of Christ.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Set, Satan, and Shaitan are the same. "Satan" is a Hebrew word for the pagan Egyptian Set. Satan, Shaitan, Set or Seth ("Set-hn" as spoken in the ancient Hebrew) is a pagan entity, the "adversary" of Judaic theology. (A "pagan" is anyone not Judaic, Christian or Muslim.)

The Greeks called Set "Typhon," who was the war god assigned to Upper Egypt. This also represents another contravention to the "accepted" etymologies of words like "typhoon" in English, which is erroneously listed as the Cantonese "tai fung" in many dictionaries. English has more commonalties with Greek and Latin.

The Egyptian priest Manetho associated the Jews with the Hyksos and Moses with the Egyptian priest Osarsiph. It was at this time that the belief the Jews worshipped an ass – an animal holy to the Egyptian god Set was established. Both the Jews and the pagan Egyptians used the labels (i.e., Satan, Set, Seth, or "Set-hn" as spoken in the ancient Hebrew) to defame each other. How fitting that amidst this epic struggle and bloody conflict, the entity known as Satan was born into the World. Such conflict continued through the Maccabean period (with Antiochus Epiphanes), and continues into modern times on several fronts.

There is a recurring theme that alludes to the hostility between the pagan Egyptians and the Judaic. Often it is claimed by the Neo-Pagans that Satan is only found in Christianity. How can this be if Satan is undeniably a Hebrew word adapted from the name of the pagan Egyptian god Set? The Jewish synod of rabbinical authority will deny that Satan even exists. This cannot be reconciled with the fact that it is a Hebrew word...

Thomas Hobbes, having been fluent in both Greek and Latin by age 9, has this to support my assertions in Leviathan:

Part III. Of a Christian Commonwealth.

Chap. xxxviii. Of Eternal Life, Hell, Salvation, and Redemption.

[12] And first, for the tormentors, we have their nature and properties exactly and properly delivered by the names of the Enemy (or Satan), the Accuser (or Diabolus), the Destroyer (or Abaddon). Which significant names (Satan, Devil, Abaddon) set not forth to us any individual person, as proper names do, but only an office or quality, and are therefore appellatives, which ought not to have been left untranslated (as they are in the Latin and modern Bibles), because thereby they seem to be the proper names of demons, and men are the more easily seduced to believe the doctrine of devils, which at that time was the religion of the Gentiles, and contrary to that of Moses, and of Christ.

[13] And because by the Enemy, the Accuser, and Destroyer, is meant the enemy of them that shall be in the kingdom of God, therefore if the kingdom of God after the resurrection be upon the earth (as in the former Chapter I have shewn by Scripture it seems to be), the Enemy and his kingdom must be on earth also. For so also was it in the time before the Jews had deposed God. For God's kingdom was in Israel, and the nations round about were the kingdoms of the Enemy; and consequently, by Satan is meant any earthly enemy of the Church.

Consider this, also from Hobbes' Leviathan, in 1668:

Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness

Chap. xlvii. Of the Benefit that proceedeth from such Darkness

[21] ...For from the time that the Bishop of Rome had gotten to be acknowledged for bishop universal, by pretence of succsession to St. Peter, their whole hierarchy (or kingdom of darkness) may be compared not unfitly to the kingdom of fairies (that is, to the old wives' fables in England, concerning ghosts and spirits and the feats they play in the night). And if a man consider the original of this ecclesiastical dominion, he will easily perceive that the Papacy is no other than the ghost of the deceased Roman empire sitting crowned upon the grave thereof. For so did the Papacy start out of the ruins of that heathen power.

[22] The language also which they use (both in the churches and in their public acts) being Latin, which is not commonly used by any nation now in the world, what is it but the ghost of the old Roman language?

[23] The fairies, in what nation soever they converse, have but one universal king, which some poets of ours call King Oberon; but the Scripture calls Beelzebub, prince of demons. The ecclesiastics likewise, in whose dominions soever they be found, acknowledge but one universal king, the Pope.

[24] The ecclesiastics are spiritual men and ghostly fathers. The fairies and ghosts inhabit darkness, solitudes, and graves. The ecclesiastics walk in obscurity of doctrine...

Is it also applicable that the conflict between the Judaic and pagan are at work here, in this discussion?

[Catholicguy]

<> I'm dressing-up like Luther this year.<>

[Bella_Bru]

LOL! You must be looking for a flaming. ;-)

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

I very much liked Cardinal O'Conner.

There was this Father Brennan I met once, looked like a GI. Tough SOB. Interesting conversations, introduced me to the writings of Thomas Hobbes. Although he wasn't in the running for Pope, the good Father Brennan was the most admirable clergyman I ever met.

During the 1970's, in his 50's, Father Brennan would issue a challenge to young men with long hair. He would bet them 100 dollars he could beat them in a foot race. If they lost they had to cut their hair like his (GI flat top). In his wing tip shoes he would race them down the block (at least 100 yds.). He NEVER lost.

The Catholic Church needs more Cardinal O'Conners and Father Brennans.

[Catholicguy]

<> LOL why not? These sorts of theads amuse me. I love guys like Sr. Francis who assume the role of "teacher" and then "correct" responses.

Most of these folks have litle sense of humor. All Hallow's Eve is defensible and few know the practice of how a corrupt practice can be spiritualised and set right, but that is due to ignorance and a lack of imagination.

Nope, for many, condemnation and accusation suffices. They are the sort of "christian" who would have supported Massachusettes banning Christmas and making it illegal not to work on Christmas. Such is life....<>

[Catholicguy]

<>Jesus provides us with what we need. We have a magnificent Pope. My Diocese has a brilliant and holy Bishop and my Parish Pastor is a brilliant and holy man.

There are plenty of holy clergy around :)<>

[LadyDoc]

You posted this vanity post a month ago, and then when I pointed out the Christian roots of Haloween, you blasted me with a quote from a 17th century anti papist bigot.

If we follow Paul's advice, we Christians are allowed to accept the good of anything: art, music or even holidays.

So dress your kid like a NYFD firefighter, and let him eat candy...

[Catholicguy]

<> ALL that is good has as its source, God. Perhaps that is the subtext of this tendentious twaddle<>

[Irisshlass]

He is ugly..ewwww..

[Catholicguy]

<> Yes, there is the ugliness. However, he was a violent drunk, so that part could be fun:)<>

[Irisshlass]

<>However, he was a violent drunk<>

Thats why he had a foul mouth! Didn't know that...

[FormerLib]

By the way, care to defend the wholesale slaughter of other human beings by atheist regimes (USSR, Red China, Pot Pot's Cambodia)?

False dichotomy, ad hominem abusive, ad hominem circumstantial, ad hominem to quoque, red herring, straw man, fallacy of false cause non-causa, fallacy of accident, hasty generalization and weak analogy...

Ah, so you can't defend atheism's greatest achivements? No surprise there.

[FormerLib]

False dichotomy, ad hominem abusive, ad hominem circumstantial, ad hominem to quoque, red herring, straw man, fallacy of false cause non-causa, fallacy of accident, hasty generalization and weak analogy...

My, my! He certain can string along some big words with total disregard of sentence structure! Guess that's what you have to resort to when you're run out of logic. ;-)

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

When I was a child I did not know about the origins of Hollween or did I really care. When my children were growing up I did not know the origins of Holloween, it was just a day to have fun with them.NOW that I know the origins of Hollween even though my children are raised, I would say it is an individual thing. IMO, God judges us according to what is in our hearts. If Hollween is just something you do to have fun with your kids, if it has no bearing on your beliefs I see no problem with celebrating it. Rom. 14 bears this out. JMO:)

Becky