Posted on 09/03/2002 5:05:37 PM PDT by petrusv2
petrusv2: "Let the ultra-traditionalist critics prefer this or that kind of architecture, this or that age or style of song, but so long as the essential elements of the Catholic Mass remain in place, it is a matter of taste, not orthodoxy. "Nope.Theresa: Yup.
Dedication Mass for New Cathedral on EWTN?
Question from Matthew Dana on 08-28-2002:
How come the dedication Mass for the new Our Lady of the Angeles Cathedral in Los Angeles is not going to be broadcast on EWTN?
This is the first cathedral to be opened in 26 years within the USA. It is the cathedral of BY FAR the largest archdiocese in the USA. It's also likely the most expensive ever built in the USA with the possible exception of the National Shrine in DC.
I think it would have been most edifying and appropriate for EWTN to broadcast this momentus moment throughout the world. What happened?
+JMJ;
Matthew
Answer by Colin B. Donovan, STL on 08-31-2002:
We've not been asked.
I noticed that in your superlatives "the most beautiful" was missing. It seems to be missing from most articles on the subject. In fact, a recent article in the LA Times called it ugly. I would have used a superlative myself.
I wonder why?
I noticed that in your superlatives "the most beautiful" was missing.
Donovan is a sharp guy and he gets the message across subtlety. It's too bad Hand doesn't follow his lead. In becoming advocates for the actions of these people, he appears to be and is acting as an enabler. Not a wise move when these people are lefties.
btw: thanks for those directions on the other thread regarding kneelers at the Cathedral.
I like Donovan. He's a sharp guy who knows more about how Mass should be said and how priests should behave than the vast majority of those who have been ordained.
Theresa "Yup."
Ultima "Nope. The essential elements are present at a Black Mass--but it is still an abomination. Non-essentials matter."
<>LOL still at it, huh? Comparing this to a Black Mass....You have compared the normative mass to a black mass previously. Is there any Liturgy of the Mass, after the close of the 16th Century, that you consider not a Black Mass?<>
Since when has these things achieved Doctrinal Status?
<>Beats me :) Apparently everything that doessn't duplicate the Mass of the 16th Century, including architecture, vestments, music, type of incense even, I guess, is some abominable heresy and signifies the death knell of Catholicism and all is lost. What faith :)
Pope Pius V created a New Rite after The Council of Trent and it was the right Mass for that age. Pope Paul V created a New Rite ( a revision of the old rite, actually) after the Vatican Two Council and it is the right Mass for this age but some, knowing far more and far better than the Divinely-constituted authority, will have none of it.
THEY, I guess, are the only ones competent to judge and if only they had the authority they justly deserve, all would be right with the world :) <>
Bellarmine
This statement is erroneous. Paul VI merely approved a new liturgy created by a committee.
Further, your gratuitous slam "...only [the protesters] know best.." is not really worthy of you.
The Mass as approved by Paul VI would be virtually unrecognizable to most Catholics--it is rarely, if ever, celebrated with the rubrics.
In addition, the Council's specific instructions regarding the 'new Mass' were ignored in practice (although not necessarily in form) by the implementors of the 'novus.'
There are some who would have nothing to do with the novus even if it were celebrated letter-perfect, in Latin, with the smells/bells, and a small army of altar boys. THEY WILL NOT SERVE!!
THere are others, myself included, who would really like to bring the surrounding culture to a level compatible with the Mass's gravity.
Sorry I couldn't resist. Looks like they be cookin' in the cathedral.
Norwalk resident Margarita Gonzalez, 68, took a bus, the Green Line train and then the Blue Line to get to the new downtown landmark. The trip from her home to the statue of Mary at the cathedral lasted an hour and 40 minutes. Kneeling before the statue, Gonzalez prayed and dabbed her tears with a tissue. "They say it cost $200 million, and that it was a waste of money," she said. "But really it's all for God. What's $200 million for God?" Many of Tuesday's visitors were as excited and awestruck as the business, civic and political leaders at Monday's dedication liturgy.
and:
One after another, worshipers went up to the statue, crossed themselves and began to touch it, many with tears in their eyes. They rubbed the bronze feet of the suffering savior; they rubbed the flayed and abraded skin. They lingered.
and:
One man carried a plastic grocery bag as he kissed the ring of Cardinal Roger M. Mahony, the archbishop of Los Angeles. An old woman approached the cardinal and wept as he blessed her.
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One poster said it made him want to return to the church after having been gone for 20 years.
There was a picture of the pipe organ and a writeup in our local paper.
We will have this abberation with us for awhile yet. But, imo, we have turned the corner
Popoe Paul said it was a revision. I don't have the text promulgating the revision of the Rite before me right now. But, I think he did say it was a revision
Hand reads Free Republic, and read your post, narses.
He's nailing YOU, as an extremist.
Congratulations, Narses! You are now the subject of an encyclical by Pope Stephen the Hand! Wow! How does it feel to be a muse?!
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