Posted on 04/26/2002 9:01:52 AM PDT by WhatNot
However, it's akin to my restricting any discussion of methodism ONLY to those who've remained historically Wesleyan and saying, "You check any Wesleyan church that has the original doctrine of holiness as a linchpin of their theology, and you'll not find one that has fallen away."
It's true, you know. And I challenge you to find one.
Methinks you are talking through your hat.
The same goes for your critique of OP's post. It definitely did clearly draw out the RC position.
It was the truth that got The Left up in arms when they tried and tried and TRIED to silence Rush Limbaugh and get him thrown off the air.
Of course, they would NEVER admit that was the reason. They used the excuse that "he is emotionally abusive and engages in *hate speech*".
Of course, the Pharisees accused Jesus of doing the same thing (in addition to being a glutton and a drunk). After Jesus had just finished listing all the reasons why he wanted his disciples to beware of those phonies, one of the Pharisees reportedly said, "You know, Jesus ... it isn't *WHAT* you say that bothers us so much, it's the *harsh WAY* you say it. If you have a disagreement with us, you should approach us as you would have us approach you; in humility and reasonableness. You're just not showing much of that *love* that you're always talking about." :D
Wrong again.
The same goes for your critique of OP's post. It definitely did clearly draw out the RC position.
No, it did not draw out the Roman Catholic position. It was a parody of the truth and a gruesome parody at that. Did it please the likes of you and Opie? Apparently so. Decent people, however, know that it was both inappropriate and incorrect.
And until you show me a Biblical verse that is as strong in its support of Mary having and intercessory role in prayer as 1 Tim 2:5 is showing that Jesus is the only mediator, you're position is dead in the water.
Just keep your powder dry bro >)
I know comparing me to a Mormon was meant to be an insult, but I forgive you for you do not know what you are doing.
That is a chicken and egg question ....Keeping the law does not save!
Did that leadership guide the sale of indulgences to enrich the clergy too?
Have you found those Scriptures yet to support your positions?
And if you cannot, would that matter to you?
Jean
"Generally", huh? What IS the official teaching, exactly? Are you saying not all individuals of Orthodox Presby persuasion are Providentialists when it comes to procreation/sexuality?
In defense of OP, he is the only protestant on this forum who has ever acknowledged the validity of the reforers' words regarding Onanism, or even had the courage to address the protestant apostacy on contraception head on.
For this forthrightness and honesty I admire him.
He comes the closest to orthodoxy on Christian sexual morality among all non-Catholics I have ever debated on the issue.
However, since the OP church has no definitive documents on moral theology regarding contraception, I have no way for certain to ascertain that he is truthfully representing the teachings of the OP sect regarding this issue.
One nice thing about being Catholic...agree with us or not, but everyone knows what is official Church teachings on Faith and Morals. We put it right out there for all the world to see, no apologies.
I have yet to witness the OP church fighting the UN on world-wide population control.
If they are indeed the True Church, you would think the pop-con folks would be persecuting them instead of the RCC.
No.
Why?
Because there are lots of things clearly inferred from scripture that we all believe, like the word "Trinity," which is nowhere found in scripture.
Besides the obvious...you argue from a false premise, because Sola Scriptura is not scriptural.
...That is a chicken and egg question ....Keeping the law does not save!
Does this mean we can disobey God and be saved?
God allowed thier errors to continue for 1600 years,until the reformation corrected them?
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