Posted on 04/08/2002 5:52:41 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
No, but I've never been in the unique position of ministering to Catholics in preparation for their marriage.
I did, however, recently inform one of my best friend's that he was putting his eternal soul in peril by willfully seeing another woman while he was separated from his wife and the woman he was seeing was separated from her husband. In fact, the only reason I didn't punch him in the face to wake him up was because he was in Pennsylvania, and I'm in Hawaii. I had asked him to be a godfather to my daughter, and told him that unless he immediately broke off all contact with the woman, I wouldn't let him be my daughter's godfather after all. He called me the next day to tell me that he'd gone to confession and cleanly broke off all contact with the woman. I'm glad that I "slammed" him with mortal sin.
Let me ask you: Do you think it's good to withold the truth of the gravity of their situations?
With all due respect, I do know what RC's believe about Mary, I been conversing with them for 9 months here on FR. You believe that Mary stayed a virgin her whole life, right? This violates the very command that Brian quoted above from God: "Be fruitful and multiply". Along with the command to not deprive your spouse of sexual intercourse. Our bodies belong to our spouses, not ourselves. My belief is that what the Bible clearly shows, after the birth of Jesus the family carried on as any righteous Jewish household at the time and Joseph and Mary had many other children, including James the author of the Bilical book.
But you guys are never guilty of being anti-Catholic, you're just bringing Christ to us poor deceived Romanists. Sure.
I wonder if you've read "Jerome versus Helvidius", a debate on this very subject?
And you believed him? If he'd see another woman while separated from his wife, why do you assume he'd tell you the truth about breaking with her?
I would have asked him if he had decided that it was over between he and his wife. If he said yes, then I would have talked to him about making it final and stop betraying vows he had made.
If he said no, then I would have told him he was driving a wedge between he and his wife if they ever DID get back together. He would KNOW he cheated on his wife, and it would hang over them like a cloud.
I find that sins are also things that violate human nature, and that a discussion of what wrong behavior does to self-respect, to people you've vowed your life to, to your own self-image as an honest or dishonest person is more effective than talking about the peril to one's soul.
Terror works with children. I don't use it on adults.
And you believed him? If he'd see another woman while separated from his wife, why do you assume he'd tell you the truth about breaking with her?
I would have asked him if he had decided that it was over between he and his wife. If he said yes, then I would have talked to him about making it final and stop betraying vows he had made.
If he said no, then I would have told him he was driving a wedge between he and his wife if they ever DID get back together. He would KNOW he cheated on his wife, and it would hang over them like a cloud.
I find that sins are also things that violate human nature, and that a discussion of what wrong behavior does to self-respect, to people you've vowed your life to, to your own self-image as an honest or dishonest person is more effective than talking about the peril to one's soul.
Terror works with children. I don't use it on adults.
Please supply me with your definition of gospel, which obviously includes contraception in it. I must have missed that one in the Bible when the gospel is discussed.
Yes he does.
Your 'Christian' hate and lies are offensive.
Hmmmmm I thought you said with all due respect, how do the above go together? Could it be hes not the one full of hate and lies?
BigMack
You know ... I'm really happy you tried to sound the note on the heart of darkness that lies at the root of population control and the Culture of Death.
EVERY soul that's snuffed out in utero and doesn't get the opportunity to choose God's will is a WIN for Death.
EVERY life prevented is a WIN for Death.
(Or so Death thinks ... pragmatic sort that he is and so utterly consumed with the Business of beating the cloock he's no time to contemplate the implications of Many Worlds Theory or other clear and present challenges rendering doomed from the start his brash wager to form an "Is and Ever Shall Be" Perfect Man stripped of all bothersome triune constructions ... like Father-Mother-Child, for starters.)
You are comparing the illumining with all due objectivity the basic truths of Christian teaching regarding the very real consequences (for this life and the next) of one's actions on the soul to the Terror that is the hallmark of the diabolical?
I think I'm beginning to understand you better.
... If the sacraments are, as you say, "real,"
And it's possible I can some room for their reluctance to give your opinions the weight of authority that would come with being a Deacon.
His wife had already filed for divorce. Their marriage is effectively over, in the legal sense at least. And yes, I believed him. He was telling me the truth.
I would have asked him if he had decided that it was over between he and his wife. If he said yes, then I would have talked to him about making it final and stop betraying vows he had made.
As I mentioned, his wife filed for divorce. He has cut off all contact with the other woman and stopped betraying his vows in that manner.
Let me ask you: Do you think it's good to withold the truth of the gravity of their situations?
So you do think it's a good idea to withold the truth of the gravity of their situations?
I can't believe you said that.
Catholics believe the Protestants do not accurately understand Catholic teachings and beliefs, and so the Catholics believe the Protestants frequently debate "straw-man" arguments; The Protestants believe that the Catholics mis-interpret Scripture or ignore Scripture completely with respect to certain beliefs and teachings.
2)Name one insult I've given you.
You want to scare children into doing what's right by threatening them with hell, it'll usually work.
I don't do it, but my mother used to, and it worked with us.
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