Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
I agree.
But isn't that precisely what ya'll say the purpose of the crucifixion was? To provide a perfect atonement, once for all time?
Yes and no. Yes, it was a one time perfect atonement. No, Catholics don't (though some do) consider then an analog one time repentence and forgiveness.
I am saying that we have confession just like the Jews had atonement once a year. It is the same basic way of interacting with man that God has chosen.
I even think that the two are basically the same thing, except for the fact that Original Sin still existed. My personal sins are removed in Confession which returns me to a state of sanctifying grace. An OT Jew could get personal sin removed, but would retain Original Sin.
In either event, any removal of sin was possible because of the Crucifixion. We access the forgiveness won on the Cross, at various times during our lives, as we feel the need for repentence and forgiveness.
SD
3 weeks ago we were in the book of Colossians in my Sunday School class. One of the things I loved about that book was Paul's defense against the mysticism/gnosticism of his day.
Col 1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
Col 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
Col 1:11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints of light;
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
I think that's a great passage because it tells us:
1. We have already been made ready to receive the inheritance,
2. We have already been delivered from the powers of darkness,
3. We have already been translated into the kingdom of Jesus, and finally
4. We already have redemption through His blood.
None of those things are future or dependent upon us. What a relief!
Yep.
SD
Becky
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I was talking about discernment which is in concert with faith.
1 Jn. 4
1 BELOVED, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Exercising faith
Eph. 4:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
James 2:
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Understood, though I of course do not agree that the Bible is the only way we can get to know Him now.
SD
righteous from the Hebrew
6662 tsaddiyq tsad-deek' from 6663; just:--just, lawful, righteous (man).
1) just, lawful, righteous
a) just, righteous (in government)
b) just, right (in one's cause)
c) just, righteous (in conduct and character)
d) righteous (as justified and vindicated by God)
e) right, correct, lawful
1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Why not highlight the first part? "These things have I written." I think we need to look at the first part and what he had written and what it means, before we go into assuming that "that ye may know" applies to you, eh?
SD
Lexicon Greek 1343 [ from the root of 1342] ...
... Genesis 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Looks like God is going to bless the world as a result of Abraham's obedience.
Meanwhile, ...Genesis 15:2 And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?God accounts righteousness to Abraham because of his belief.
3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Note: Genesis 15 comes before Genesis 26.
Since you have nothign to say about it, why don't you just shut up?
SD
Welcome to the Dark Side.....
I think we need to look at the first part and what he had written and what it means, before we go into assuming that "that ye may know" applies to you, eh?
I agree ... and suggest that all, who haven't, ... proceed to read John's writings.
He shall not steer you wrong.
Cindy demonstrated that earlier. She experienced God in His Awesome works. Some of us might experience Him in quiet prayer or in a dream or in some other non-verbal way. There are ways of experiencing God that are non-verbal is my point. And direct, not using Scripture as a go-between.
SD
Heh heh heh. It's double predestination I don't abide by.
SD
Can you explain why you think it is not connected?
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