The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams

Previous Thread

[SoothingDave]

I understand the point you are trying to make. I'm saying your point is fallacious because you make a series of category mistakes.

Please stop saying that. It's starting to sound really silly. What you call "category mistakes" are you criticising the irrelevant parts of my hypothetical questions?

It's like me asking you if you want artificial feeding tubes should you be in a coma, and you asking what color the tubes will be.

SD

[SoothingDave]

not all games of chance, not all wagers or bets are sinful in and of themselves.

Not all wagers are on games of pure chance, such as slot machines or rulette tables.

So what? What does that have to do with anything. I am not redefining "games of chance" by saying "wagers or bets." I am instead listing different types of things we know as "gambling."

Would we agree that gambling involves some type of risk for a greater reward, based in part or whole upon events that are out of our control?

SD

[SoothingDave]

Your example of "life insurance" is simply a very bad example. Why not try another one instead.

It is not a bad example, it is a perfect example. Do you deny that their is a gamble inherent in life insurance?

SD

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I'll go first, here's my pick on the top 10 stocks to own right now. :)

BigMack

[SoothingDave]

No Dave, Doug is right, desiring money(provision) for your heirs is not coveting, as you stated Doug's belief. You are confused. Proverbs states specifically that Doug is right.

I am now convinced that I made a "Category error" is assuming you can read for comprehension.

I said "My contention is that not all attempt to gather in more money, whether for yourself or for your family, are sinful." Which a sentient being would read as me saying that I, personally, do not belive that providing for an inheiritance is sinful.

Then I said:

Doug has said that all "gambling" for money is sinful, unless it is not for yourself, only your heirs.

So I did not state that Doug believes that providing for his heirs is sinful.

So you are oh-for-two in understanding. Why don't you just leave it for those who can follow along?

My argument is that Doug's definition of "coveting" for oneself versus "not coveting" if it is for others does nto bear scrutiny. By showing the absurditiy, I am not trying to get him to believe wanting money for your heirs is wrong. Rather, I want him to realize that wanting money for yourself is not always wrong.

SD

[SoothingDave]

Answer the poser in 52,113 please.

Irrelevant. I agree with both you, Doug, and Scripture that it is wise to provide for those who you have the responsibilty for. That you think you need to prove this to me shows how little you understand of the arguments I am making.

SD

[SoothingDave]

Would we agree that gambling involves some type of risk for a greater reward,

Please demonstrate how purchasing life insurance qualifies as a "risk".

Sigh. No, I'm sorry I did this already. Read my posts.

SD

[malakhi]

Answer the poser in 52,113 please.

Looks like a "category mistake" to me.

Buying an asset for future use is not a "gamble". Even if there is no drought, you still have the asset and you could consume it or sell it.

A more accurate comparison would be purchasing an option on wheat futures.

[CindyDawg]

I find Tolkien infinitely more entertaining than that series. It's not very good writing(sorry Cindydawg). It reminds me of dime novels.

Hey I'm not that cheap (10 cents). I paid a whole 14.95 plus tax for it. I usually buy my books for a quarter at the library. It's kind of like what Steven posted. You hate to leave in the middle. I would have changed some things if I had wrote it ( like names) and come on, nobody is that perfect. I would have made the characters a little more earthly:'). I enjoy reading them though.