Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
A typical SD invention. Who ever said anything remotely akin to this statement?
Have you met Havoc? And his cronies?
He holds that Peter could not have been in Rome because only Paul was sent to the Gentiles. All of the rest of the Apostles were only to preach to Jews.
This is his "proof" that Peter was not in Rome, therefore could not be the Bishop of Rome. Could you provide one or more references which indicates the "house of Israel" doesn't refer to the Lost Tribes? Thanks.
Sure. How about Psalm 118:
1 Give thanks to the LORD, who is good, whose love endures forever.
2 Let the house of Israel say: God's love endures forever.
3 Let the house of Aaron say, God's love endures forever.
The House of Israel is one of the tribes. Specifically, it was the one tribe of the Southern kingdom, that was not carried off to Babylon.
SD
(It gives me a good tagline.)
SD
Not yet, haven't gotten to the video store to rent it.
I'll get back to the argument about Mary, later. I wanted to ask you about this. First, wihtout doubt Judaism allows for (indeed, doesn't it command?) prayer for the dead. Isn't a practicing Jew supposed to do something called the Kaddish(sp) on Yom Kippur.
Now, about the praying to the dead. I read somewhere, just recently, of an ancient Jewish custom whereby during something called the Days of Awe(days which I believe fall between Yom Kippur and Rosh Hoshannah) Jews used to ask the dead to pray to God for them. Do you know anything about this?
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(Reg) A typical SD invention. Who ever said anything remotely akin to this statement?
Have you met Havoc? And his cronies?
He holds that Peter could not have been in Rome because only Paul was sent to the Gentiles. All of the rest of the Apostles were only to preach to Jews.
This is his "proof" that Peter was not in Rome, therefore could not be the Bishop of Rome.
Maybe if I posted your statement again, and this time I insisted you not ramble around like a drunken sailor, you would address the question.
(SD) To read this text as Jesus prohibiting the Apostles from ever, ever, going out to the nations is contrary not only to the later charge Jesus gives, but also to history, which is replete with far flung Churches established by Apostles.
(Reg) Do you think you can answer the question I asked?
(Reg) Could you provide one or more references which indicates the "house of Israel" doesn't refer to the Lost Tribes? Thanks.
Sure. How about Psalm 118:
1 Give thanks to the LORD, who is good, whose love endures forever.
2 Let the house of Israel say: God's love endures forever.
3 Let the house of Aaron say, God's love endures forever.
The House of Israel is one of the tribes. Specifically, it was the one tribe of the Southern kingdom, that was not carried off to Babylon.
That's nice but it has absoloutely no correspondence to my question. How in the world does your Psalm passage prove anything?
Not to hurt your feelings, but I don't consider you as a qualified historical reference.
You have made a statement that the "House of Israel" in no way references the Lost Tribes of Israel. I have posted one reference which states the opposite and am prepared to offer more.
Can you do the same?
The Kiddush is a prayer said every week asking God to sanctify the Sabbath.
Please note that the Psalm refers to both the Houses of Israel and of Aaron. These are two of the tribes. There are twelve of them. They each have a name.
If the "House of Israel" was meant to refer to the lost tribes this would make no sense.
Israel was one of the southern tribes, one of hte Tribes that wasnot carried away into Captivity.
Why would the name of the existing tribe, still alive and well in, well, Israel, be sued to cipher for the missing tribes?
Explain that to me. The natural reading is that the House of Israel means the House of Israel.
IF the Delaware Indians disappeared from the earth, would we call them "Sioux," even though the actual Sioux still exist?
SD
Israel and Aaron and 2 of the tribes? Lol.
Israel was one of the southern tribes, one of hte Tribes that wasnot carried away into Captivity.
Israel was one of the Southern Tribes. Lol. You're exposed dude. You don't what the hell you're talking about.
Thanks. Do you know the name of the prayer Jews recite on Yom Kippur for the dead?
Technically speaking, the Kaddish itself is not a prayer for the dead, but rather a prayer praising God. It is recited for the deceased in the eleven months after his death, and on the anniversary of his death thereafter.
The traditional prayer for the dead is El Malei Rachamim:
Exalted, compassionate God, grant perfect peace in Your sheltering Presence, among the holy and the pure who shine with the splendor of the firmament, to the soul of our dear ______ who has gone to his eternal home. Master of mercy, remember all his worthy deeds in the land of the living. May his soul be bound up in the bond of life. May his memory always inspire us to attain dignity and holiness in life. May he rest in peace. And let us say: Amen.
Certain of the psalms are also commonly said.
I read somewhere, just recently, of an ancient Jewish custom whereby during something called the Days of Awe(days which I believe fall between Yom Kippur and Rosh Hoshannah) Jews used to ask the dead to pray to God for them.
I've heard of superstitious practices involving such things. This is contrary to orthodox Jewish teaching, AFAIK.
I need to get me one of those.
Please provide an official teaching of the RCC which corroborates this.
I can find out. On Yom Kippur they usually do a prayer for the dead of the Shoah (holocaust). Otherwise there is a traditional prayer said for people on the anniversary of their deaths.
OK
It is recited for the deceased in the eleven months after his death, and on the anniversary of his death thereafter.
What means this?
Is this any different than saying a Mass (a prayer praising God) on the anniversary of a person's death, "for" him?
SD
The Kingdom of Israel was the northern kingdom, formed of the 10 tribes. The southern Kingdom of Judah was made up the tribe of Judah (predominantly) along with Benjamin and some Levites. Many from the northern kingdom fled south and mixed with the population of Judah. By the first century C.E., there was no real tribal distinction remaining with the exception of the priestly class.
Read about them (well one version, anyway) in a scientist magazine. The good ones run off of a V-8 chevy engine.
SD
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