The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

[Havoc]

Yeah, I kinda thought that's where you were headed. So let me see if I have this straight. You don't believe Elijah was just an archetype of John the Baptist, you actually believe John the Baptist WAS Elijah returned to Earth.

Why should I not? Jesus said it. That settles it. If you don't believe Christ, then what on earth are you doing even pretending to be Christian? Trying to sabotage Christianity as some others seem to be attempting? That is rhetorical. I just want you to think about it. However it was accomplished, Christ confirmed it to be so. And I didn't even quote all that is written on it in scripture. What is the rule of faith? "Now faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God." If you're faith isn't in the scriptures, then you have some serious thinking to do about who and what you are. I don't have the luxury or the gaul to second guess my Lord - not that I'm perfect or better. I just know scripture and that's what it tells me.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Answer the question, Mack. What sin does a newborn have?

The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. [Ps. 58:3].

BigMack

[SoothingDave]

What sin does a newborn have?

The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Did your children talk as soon as they were born, and started telling lies?

Did you capture it on tape?

Or don't you have an answer?

SD

[Uri’el-2012]

Invincibly Ignorant ;malakhi

malakhi>Only in one gospel. And its a quote from a psalm, not something original.

II>Hey. There are some that believe 3 of the 4 gospels were originally written in Hebrew. Not because of the existence of manuscripts but because there are idioms that don't make sense when translated to Greek but make perfect sense should they have been translated from Hebrew. If you want I'll post a couple of examples.

47,648 posted on 04/21/2003 10:02 AM MDT by Invincibly Ignorant

That's my position also.

But

They will think it is caused by the thin air.

Praise His Holy Name

chuck <truth@YeshuaHaMashiach>

[IMRight]

Why should I not? Jesus said it. That settles it.

Good policy to have.

Of course you have to have the grace of telling when He was speaking literaly and when He was speaking metaphorically. But I seem to remember you had that grace.

[AlguyA]

"If you don't believe Christ, then what on earth are you doing even pretending to be Christian?"

Well, I think there may be a difference between 'believing Christ' and believing your interpretation of what He said. For example, Christ also said "You must eat my body and drink my blood," yet, as we all know, you don't take this quite as literally as you do the passages about John the Baptist being Elijah.

But you dodged my question: Was John the Baptist the son of Elizabeth and Zechariah?

[IMRight]

Beat you by a full five seconds.

Looks like I've still got game. :)

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me [Ps. 51:5].

David, as well as the rest of us, came into the world with a sin nature.

BigMack

[IMRight]

There's a difference between a sin nature and actually having sinned.

To put it in terms you are familiar with... think of original sin as sin "being placed to our account".

[SoothingDave]

David, as well as the rest of us, came into the world with a sin nature.

I didn't think you believed in Original Sin.

One goes to hell for committing actual personal sins, not for original sin, according to you, right?

I mean, if an infant dies, does he go to hell cause he never got "saved" or what?

The argument at the present time is about "all have sinned." This is not the same as saying all are born with a sin nature, is it?

Wonk and Havoc are taking "all have sinned" literally. So I ask what sin a newborn has committed.

SD

[IMRight]

I think to be fully literal we have to accept that the HS is speaking specifically of men. Those under eighteen, or lacking certain external genitalia have not necessarily sinned.

Of course, this leaves Mary in the clear. :-)

[AlguyA]

"Looks like I've still got game. :)"

Hey, the great ones never really lose it. -)

[RobbyS]

Whether one uses cousin or brother would boil down to the particularand personal relationship, would it not? Famous example" the Brothers Adams," referring to Sam and John Adams, who were, of course, second cousins. If we did not know so much else about them, we might think they were actually brothers. There is so much we do NOT know about the people named in the New Testament, because the writer either did not know them Or did know them and assumed that his listeners would know what he meant. He could drop a name and the reader whould think of a bull-blown personality, complete with hook nose or red-hair, whereas to us it is simply a name on a tombstone.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Famous example" the Brothers Adams," referring to Sam and John Adams, who were, of course, second cousins.

Oh. We get something different again. This sounds much better than that they were all boinking each other back in the first century which made everyone cousins. :-)

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

All have original sin, children are not held accountable by God because of not knowing they don't know, they get a pass.

Wonk and Havoc are taking "all have sinned" literally. So I ask what sin a newborn has committed.

Ask your wife.

BigMack

[SoothingDave]

All have original sin, children are not held accountable by God because of not knowing they don't know, they get a pass.

OK. How long does this "pass" last? What is your definition of "sin" and what does one have to do to be "guilty" of it?

So I ask what sin a newborn has committed.

Ask your wife.

Why can't you answer? I think the difference here, going on what little you gave me, is that you think small children "sin" but are not held accountable for it.

On the contrary I do not think that sin exists at all until one can be held to account for it.

The toddler who rips up an important paper cause it's fun does not commit a sin. She simply does not know right from wrong.

Maybe you think that a toddler who does such a thing has "sinned," but I disagree.

Is this a fair depiction of what you are saying?

SD

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

$425?

BigMack

[Havoc]

Instead you look in the Bible and that's that. Experience and sense play no part.

Your reason is not for reinterpreting black and white statements into something more to your liking. Jesus didn't say 'take what I said or make it up as you go - all the same thing..' It is God's word - not that of Jesus or of the Apostles but God's. It is HIS message that was delivered to us. And none of us has the authority to change what he has said nor the wisdom to second guess Him. That is your error - you think you have some right to change what his word says if you so choose. You think it's just some fancy club apparently where the rules don't really matter - it's the company. That isn't Christianity. It may be Catholicism; but, it's plain obvious which of us is following what. You reject and contest the Apostles time after time and pretend that you keep to their words because you have some creed that says you do. How pathetic is that. I really wish you could wake up to it, Dave. You're far too intelligent not to understand the errors you espouse. Perhaps too smart for you're own good. Maybe you should stop playing in philosophy and try trusting God's word instead. But the scripture is prophetic in saying that for those who come to knowledge and are led astray it is better that they had never learned at all.

[newgeezer]

Answer the question, Mack. What sin does a newborn have?

"It is funny that you are so limited by your human thoughts, which you claim to be the mind of God."

[SoothingDave]

Maybe you can tell me what sin a newborn baby has committed?

SD