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1 posted on 03/24/2002 7:03:09 PM PST by scripter
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2 posted on 03/24/2002 7:06:21 PM PST by scripter
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oh give us a break! let's have time set aside to discuss the flat earth notion also. wheew.
3 posted on 03/24/2002 7:23:54 PM PST by colormebemused
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It's a good statement. Note that it doesn't say that religion shouldn't be taught in the schools, it says that it should be distinguished from science, which seems reasonable to me. Also note that it gives credit to "intelligent design" theory as scientifically credible--which it is. Intelligent design is NOT the same thing as creationism, which is religion posing as science. (To be fair, you can't blame people for inventing creationism; it was a desperate effort to respond to the Supreme Court's unconstitutional banning of religion from our schools.
5 posted on 03/24/2002 7:28:16 PM PST by Cicero
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That where alternative scientific theories exist in
any area of inquiry (such as wave vs. particle theories of light)

                               

Wrong.  These are not alternative theories.  Light
is both a wave and a particle, depending on how
you set up your test.

8 posted on 03/24/2002 7:48:47 PM PST by gcruse
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For example, 100 scientists, including professors from institutions such as M.I.T, Yale and Rice, issued a statement in September "questioning the creative power of natural selection," wrote Meyer in his WND column. But such criticism is rarely, if ever, reported by mainstream media outlets and establishment scientific publications, he maintains.

That's a sort of an understatement. Natural selection is a destructive and not a constructive process and is the major reason for the stasis we find in the fossil record; it weeds out anything an iota to the left or right of dead center for a particular species. Talking about natural selection creating new species of animals is like talking about constructing buildings with a wrecking ball.

9 posted on 03/24/2002 7:50:40 PM PST by medved
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The statement which the 50 scientists make is completely reasonable other than for leaving out one critical consideration: Anybody wishing to put a religion on an equal footing with evolution in American schools needs to ensure that the religioin he chooses is the RIGHT one, i.e. a religion which operates on an intellectual level similar to that of evolution, and the only two possible candidates are voodoo and rastifari.

Rastifari would in fact lend itself rather well to certain kinds of team-teaching situations, e.g. a bio teacher looking for a way to put 30 teenagers into the proper frame of mind to be indoctrinated into something as stupid as evolutionism could walk across the hall to the Rasta class for a box of spliffs...

11 posted on 03/24/2002 7:59:55 PM PST by medved
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But Meyer counters that a controversy does exist over the validity of Darwinian evolution, as evidenced by the growing number of scientists publicly acknowledging the theory's flaws

What flaws? It perfectly explains eye formation. Horses. Whales. Mammals. Birds. Blood clotting. There is no debate to be had. Everyone knows that things happen. Live with it.

13 posted on 03/24/2002 8:30:39 PM PST by AndrewC
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I consider myself a fundamentalist Christian. I believe in the Bible and have no problem reconciling it with the "Theory" of Evolution (by now evidence is so overwhelming that the only reason it is still referred to as theory is because no one is precisely sure how it works.)

It annoys me whenever other fundmentalists continue to argue against something which is substantiated by all evidence availabel on the subject. By their incredible ignorant actions they are merely drawing discredit upon Christianity and the Bible.

They should all wise up, wake up, and grow up. Evolution is here to stay because it is the mechanism God used to create man.

16 posted on 03/24/2002 8:47:50 PM PST by ZULU
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That where alternative scientific theories exist in any area of inquiry (such as wave vs. particle theories of light...

These illustrious scientists appear to be somewhat behind the times.

18 posted on 03/24/2002 8:59:39 PM PST by edsheppa
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The proposal sounds fair to me and totally in the spirit of academic freedom, freedom of speech and scientific inquiry. For that reason, I am sure it will be vigorously opposed by the atheistic/materialistic ideologues of evolution.
20 posted on 03/24/2002 9:10:36 PM PST by gore3000
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Krauss was disappointed in the Board of Education's decision to hold a panel discussion on the subject, saying the debate was not warranted since there is no evolution controversy in scientific circles.

...and he wants to make sure it stays that way by continuing to muzzle anyone who dares to speak against evolution.

22 posted on 03/24/2002 9:14:29 PM PST by gore3000
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Teach the controversy about Darwinism, including evidence for and against the theory of evolution

I wasn't aware of any evidence against the theory of evolution. Understanding evolutionary theory is central to my work as a biochemist. Not to say that intelligent design is not at work here; sometimes people in my field just have to sit back in awe at the sheer complexity of it all.

29 posted on 03/24/2002 9:42:04 PM PST by exDemMom
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Another of WingNutDaily's lost causes. "Intelligent Design" theory has nothing to offer. What does it say about either "intelligence" or "design"? Precisely nothing, whether one asks who, when, where, why or how. Its entire argument is that certain entities could not have arisen by "natural causes".

IOW it is saying (albiet never openly or forthrightly, mind you) that there must be miracles somewhere. Where, you ask? When, you ask? What specific (or even hypothetically representative) acts are postulated to have occured by other than "natural causation"? Sorry, "intelligent design" has nothing to say on these matters. It suggests no research strategy to address them. Indeed the whole purpose of ID is to avoid addressing such questions. ID is the ultimate anti-theory.

34 posted on 03/24/2002 10:21:27 PM PST by Stultis
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A tiny bit of the famous "list-o-links" (so the creationists don't get to start each new thread from ground zero).

01: Site that debunks virtually all of creationism's fallacies. Excellent resource.
02: Creation "Science" Debunked.
03: Creationi sm and Pseudo Science. Familiar cartoon then lots of links.
04: The SKEPTIC annotated bibliography. Amazingly great meta-site!
05: The Evidence for Human Evolution. For the "no evidence" crowd.
06: Massive mega-site with thousands of links on evolution, creationism, young earth, etc..
07: Another amazing site full of links debunking creationism.
08: Creationism and Pseudo Science. Great cartoon!
09: Glenn R. Morton's site about creationism's fallacies. Another jennyp contribution.
11: Is Evolution Science?. Successful PREDICTIONS of evolution (Moonman62).
12: Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution. On point and well-written.
13: Frequently Asked But Never Answered Questions. A creationist nightmare!
14: DARWIN, FULL TEXT OF HIS WRITINGS. The original ee-voe-lou-shunist.

The foregoing was just a tiny sample. So that everyone will have access to the accumulated "Creationism vs. Evolution" threads which have previously appeared on FreeRepublic, plus links to hundreds of sites with a vast amount of information on this topic, here's Junior's massive work, available for all to review:
The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [ver 16].

42 posted on 03/25/2002 2:07:49 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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Some useful references:

Major Scientific Problems with Evolution

Evol-U-Sham dot Com

Many Experts Quoted on FUBAR State of Evolution

The All-Time, Ultimate Evolution Quote

"If a person doesn't think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what's the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That's how I thought anyway. I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all came from slime. When we died, you know , that was it, there is nothing..."

Jeffrey Dahmer, noted Evolutionist

Social Darwinism, Naziism, Communism, Darwinism Roots etc.

Creation and Intelligent Design Links

Evolutionist Censorship

Catastrophism

Intelligent Versions of Biogenesis etc.

Talk.origins/Sci.Bio.Evolution Realities


51 posted on 03/25/2002 4:55:14 AM PST by medved
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Intelligent design is not the result of objective scientific inquiry and its proponents are not people who have a genuine interest in our origins. It is in fact a rhetorical trick designed to mask the thinly veiled political agenda of men who lust for control of your life.
96 posted on 03/26/2002 4:00:29 AM PST by Gerfang
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That a quality science education should prepare students to distinguish the data and testable theories of science from religious or philosophical claims that are made in the name of science;

...That where alternative scientific theories exist in any area of inquiry (such as wave vs. particle theories of light, biological evolution vs. intelligent design, etc.), students should be permitted to learn the evidence for and against them;

...The article states in its conclusion that school boards or biology teachers should "take the initiative to teach, rather than suppress, the controversy as it exists in the scientific world," which is a "more open and more dialectical approach."

Clealrly these people are insane ;o)

97 posted on 03/26/2002 4:10:55 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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That biological evolution is an important scientific theory that should be taught in the classroom

Evolution is a fact. Darwin's theory of Natural Selection is a possible explanation for the process of evolution.

Regards

J.R.

102 posted on 03/26/2002 6:14:17 AM PST by NMC EXP
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a science curriculum should help students understand why the subject of biological evolution generates controversy

Because a bunch of religious types want to believe something else, so they set about using pseudoscience to prop up their silly position.

180 posted on 03/27/2002 11:00:34 AM PST by xm177e2
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...more than 50 Ohio scientists issued a statement this week supporting academic freedom to teach arguments for and against Darwin's theory of evolution.

I don't understand why anyone wants to study Darwin except historians. The field left him behind a long time ago and is accelerating rapidly.

303 posted on 03/28/2002 7:42:28 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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