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9/9/2024 | MosesKnows

Posted on 09/09/2024 9:39:13 AM PDT by MosesKnows

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To: dhs12345

Instead of being pre wired to believe in a supreme being, it’s more being predisposed to seek answers. A supreme being is an answer. Not provable, but an answer nonetheless.


261 posted on 09/16/2024 11:16:02 AM PDT by Fuzz
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Exactly. Kind of explains explains the whole human experience. We are unique in that we can think in this way.

We Christians believe that it is a blessing... and a curse at the same time.

The story of Adam and Eve is a perfect example of this — life was pristine and perfect for humans and yet we ate of “the apple” and our human existence was forever changed.

Perfection, no pain, no aging and no death and yet not knowing existence vs knowing and knowledge of sin and that we are imperfect with imperfection, pain, suffering and death.

262 posted on 09/16/2024 11:41:26 AM PDT by dhs12345
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Instead of being pre wired to believe in a supreme being, it’s more being predisposed to seek answers. A supreme being is an answer. Not provable, but an answer nonetheless.

I think we are "prewired" to have an innate sense of our Creator and that He promised:

    You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:13)

    Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened to you. (Matthew 7:7)

    But if from there you will seek the LORD your God, you will find Him if you seek Him with all your heart and with all your soul. (Deuteronomy 4:29)

    And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who approaches Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him. (Hebrews 11:6)

    Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. (James 4:8)

He WANTS us to find Him!

263 posted on 09/16/2024 4:39:31 PM PDT by boatbums (When you dwell in the shelter of the Most High, you will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. )
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To: boatbums

Bible verses aren’t an argument, it’s preaching.


264 posted on 09/16/2024 5:39:47 PM PDT by Fuzz
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Bible verses aren’t an argument, it’s preaching.

I think you are just not understanding WHY I posted those Bible verses. It's not arguing for the existence of God only that in the Bible - which I believe IS God-breathed - He promises that He not only wants us to seek for Him but He will be found when we do so with all our heart. It won't be the idle curiosity seeker who comes to the knowledge of the truth but those who genuinely WANT to know it. Maybe you aren't there, maybe you never will be, but I hope you at least are an honest skeptic and put in the effort to find out while you still can.

265 posted on 09/17/2024 9:18:26 PM PDT by boatbums (When you dwell in the shelter of the Most High, you will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. )
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Exactly. That is the order of the universe. And we are intelligent enough to realize it.


266 posted on 09/18/2024 1:01:39 PM PDT by dhs12345
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I’m not a skeptic with regards to your chosen religion. I reject it outright, and not for a lack of understanding, but because of it.


267 posted on 09/18/2024 2:02:22 PM PDT by Fuzz
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To: dhs12345
Exactly. That is the order of the universe. And we are intelligent enough to realize it.

Some certainly do. Sadly, others, not so much.

    “What else does this craving, and this helplessness, proclaim but that there was once in man a true happiness, of which all that now remains is the empty print and trace?

    This he tries in vain to fill with everything around him, seeking in things that are not there the help he cannot find in those that are, though none can help, since this infinite abyss can be filled only with an infinite and immutable object; in other words by God himself”

    [Blaise Pascal Pensees, page 75 (New York; Penguin Books, 1966).]


268 posted on 09/18/2024 3:32:28 PM PDT by boatbums (When you dwell in the shelter of the Most High, you will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. )
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To: boatbums

Nice. :)

Yes. They still look for the truth but they wander without direction and then give up. I think that we over rate our abilities to understand the world. We can manipulate it on a macro scale to our benefit and then arrogantly think of ourselves god.

As your quote states: there is so little that we understand about our existence. Our existence is infinite and we will never understand it. We are constrained by our physical bodies. It is impossible. Maybe when we are freed of our physical bodies, we will all be able to understand it better. RE: before we are born and after we die — a soul.

I believe that as science matures that it will lead us to the likelihood of a supreme being. Science is getting so abstract and complicated and yet there is an organization to it.

It is beautiful in its complexity and organization even if we humans will never understand it.


269 posted on 09/20/2024 7:44:14 AM PDT by dhs12345
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It is beautiful in its complexity and organization even if we humans will never understand it.

I get amazed every time I watch a "nature" documentary over that complexity and beauty! I mean, even dung beetles have a job to do. :)

How intricate organisms reproduce "after their own kind" and every plant, bug, animal, etc. has a place and a purpose awes me. I really have to question the intelligence of those who deny God and just chalk it all up to chaos and chance and who are willfully blind to the patently obvious truth that all of creation had a Creator. That such elegant design had a Designer. What I really think is behind atheism is a rebellion against that innate, God-shaped vacuum Pascal described. I don't know whether it is the refusal to submit to Him in recognition and worship or an erroneous idea of who God -- a PERSONAL God -- truly is. But, like I posted earlier, the God of the Bible IS a personal God who loves us and desires a relationship with us. He created us to dwell with Him in eternity and desires that ALL come to the knowledge of the truth.

You're right that as science advances, the denial of God becomes more untenable. If Charles Darwin knew back then what we know now about DNA and genetics, I think he would have never postured the theory of his origin of the species and transmutational evolution. He would be smart enough to know it wasn't possible.

Good chatting with you. Have a great weekend.

270 posted on 09/20/2024 8:49:48 PM PDT by boatbums (When you dwell in the shelter of the Most High, you will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. )
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