The Horrors of the Church and Its Holy Inquisition

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[patriot torch]

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No you’re not. You’re just someone with an axe to grind, no matter how many times people point out the historical nonsense you keep spouting.

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Nope, no axe and no grinder.. I’ll leave that department to the professionals. Now, off with their heads! Stinking heretics!

“Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which conflicts with Church dogma must be burned without pity.”

- Pope Innocent III

[cowboyusa]

The Armada war was the turning point. Or you could say that Queen Mary dying was. England began to eclipse Spain, and rise to Empire.

[Steve_Seattle]

"It’s called pointing out false historical accounts, and then providing accurate historical accounts."

That's exactly it. No Catholic denies the Inquisition existed and that crimes were not committed in its name. I would emphasize three factors: (1) The numbers we read are often wild exaggerations, as with the claim that "millions" of witches were killed by the Inquisition; (2) Ignoring the differences between secular courts and religions courts; and (3) ignoring Protestant abuses which often matched or exceeded those of the Inquisition. (Source for the latter issue: "Reformation Myths," by Rodney Stark. For example, from 1480 to 1700 - more than 200 years - about 10 people per year were executed by the Spanish Inquisition, and this was less than 2% of those brought to trial. By contrast, Henry VIII alone ordered the execution of thousands of Catholics, Lutherans, and Lollards.)

[Titus-Maximus]

Precisely, the Inquisition numbers are small.

[cowboyusa]

But also this, I’d Catheine of Argon had been Abel to have a child, then the UK would have been Catholic, and the Colonies as well.

[Steve_Seattle]

"Dennis Prager recently wrote that historians, Jewish and Catholic, place the number of executions by the Inquisition at about 5,000."

Over a period of hundreds of years. The US killed over ten times that many innocent citizens in one day, at Hiroshima. Henry VIII alone executed thousands of religious dissenters. Martin Luther was a rapid anti-Semite who advocated burning synagogues and the homes of Jews. But most present-day Catholics and most Protestants do not dwell on the sins of the past but focus on our own sins and those of our present society. You contribute NOTHING to making this a better world or doing real evangelizing, just dredging up the sins of the past, over and over. At least, that's how it looks to me.

[yelostar]

God's Jury: The Inquisition and the Making of the Modern World - by Cullen Murphy, 1st Ed. January 2012

https://www.cullenmurphy.me/other-books/godsjury

from the publisher:

The Inquisition conducted its last execution in 1826 — the victim was a Spanish schoolmaster convicted of heresy. But as Cullen Murphy shows in this provocative new work, not only did its offices survive into the twentieth century, in the modern world its spirit is more influential than ever.

God’s Jury encompasses the diverse stories of the Knights Templar, Torquemada, Galileo, and Graham Greene. Established by the Catholic Church in 1231, the Inquisition continued in one form or another for almost seven hundred years. Though associated with the persecution of heretics and Jews — and with burning at the stake — its targets were more numerous and its techniques more ambitious. The Inquisition pioneered surveillance and censorship and “scientific” interrogation. As time went on, its methods and mindset spread far beyond the Church to become tools of secular persecution. Traveling from freshly opened Vatican archives to the detention camps of Guantánamo to the filing cabinets of the Third Reich, Murphy traces the Inquisition and its legacy.

With the combination of vivid immediacy and learned analysis that characterized his acclaimed Are We Rome?, Murphy puts a human face on a familiar but little-known piece of our past, and argues that only by understanding the Inquisition can we hope to explain the making of the present.

[Ultra Sonic 007]

A review of Cullen Murphy's book from Homiletic and Pastoral Review, for what it's worth:

In sum, what is Murphy’s methodological failure? One can compare institutions horizontally, such as the Spanish Inquisition, and others of the same era — the French monarchy and the English monarchy. If the Jews were expelled from Spain, and the Huguenots were exiled from France, so were the Anabaptists expelled from Lutheran Germany. We can compare those events, let us say, hypothetically. But vertically, or in a linear time-line, one cannot, in academic history, perform facile tricks, such as comparing the NKVD, or the Stasi, or the Federal Bureau of Investigation, with the Spanish Inquisition. It is tendentious. In another work, Murphy asks “Are We Romans?” Perhaps, that has the same methodological flaw. We just cannot ask “Are We God’s Jury?” or “Are We Inquisitors?”

[patriot torch]

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“The Book of Revelation says her whole city will burn, not just a “cathedral”. And I’m certainly NOT referring to France, but rather the @#$%^ of Babylon sitting on seven hills.”

Now I know where you are coming from. *********You hate the Catholic Church so much that you want Rome itself to burn********

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Just for the record, I did not in the previous post STATE that the “$%^&* of babylon” Was Rome and distinctly the”catholic church”

In fact it was YOU who confessed that. now......following that admission.....

Revelation 18:4
King James Version

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

[patriot torch]

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I am not Catholic moron. FOAD you leftist freak.

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Just curious, do you consume the Lord’s Body and drink His Blood with the same mouth or do you take your Holy Mouth to Sunday school?

[wildcard_redneck]

Good God, you are a ranting, bitter, little Marxist.

[patriot torch]

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Over a period of hundreds of years. The US killed over ten times that many innocent citizens in one day, at Hiroshima.

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So what your saying is that Harry Truman would have made a great catholic? Or would he have been excommunicated?

How about the current catholic in the white house? Saint or excommunicated?

[patriot torch]

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You contribute NOTHING to making this a better world or doing real evangelizing,

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And how is it you know this? Any proof or just another baseless accusation!

[patriot torch]

interesting thanks for the link

[yelostar]

👍

[patriot torch]

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Good God, you are a ranting, bitter, little Marxist.

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And you draw the conclusion therfore I’m a “marxist”?

Do you even know the definition of a “marxist”

allow me....

Marxism
noun
Marx·​ism ˈmärk-ˌsi-zəm
Synonyms of Marxism
: the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx
especially : a theory and practice of socialism (see SOCIALISM sense 3) including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society
Marxist
ˈmärk-sist
noun or adjective

To that I would add.....

Galatians 4:16
King James Version

16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

[metmom]

Two questions arise then.

Why are you defending the Catholic church, then?

And what is your purpose here?

Also, you probably ought to familiarize yourself with the RF guidelines posted on the Religion Mod’s homepage.

Here’s a link.....

https://freerepublic.com/~religionmoderator/

[patriot torch]

Good questions.

[wildcard_redneck]

"Two questions arise then.
Why are you defending the Catholic church, then?
And what is your purpose here?"

I am defending the Catholic Church because judging actions of the Catholic Church 400 years ago by the standards of today is nothing more than blood libel. It is what leftists try to do to Americans over slavery after 750,000 of us died fighting a war to end it 160 years ago. I am not a Catholic but I am a Christian and an American and I believe in the divine fusion of the two!

My purpose here is to fight crypto leftists and their evil ideology and tactics wherever I find them.

Why are you on FR? Couldn't get a date on DU?

[wildcard_redneck]

Ain’t that cute! Newbies lovin’ on newbies. Get a room you two!