Neither Snow Nor Rain Nor Sabbath: Supreme Court Delivers a Victory to Christian Postal Worker (wow, this dude embarrasses you who nail 10 commandments to cross!)

Christianity Today ^ | June 29, 2023 | Daniel Silliman

[vespa300]

>>>The sentence “They believe they were nailed to the cross” is misleading hyperbole. You should lead with the former sentence, which can be debated.

On the other hand, I won’t debate it with you.>>>

Uh, no, that’s exactly how many have phrased it. They simply confuse the ceremonial laws which WERE nailed to the cross, you know the ones Moses wrote in a book and placed OUTSIDE the ark, with the moral law God himself wrote in stone.

This is new covenant grace oriented theology that no Protestant Reformer ever taught, not even Rome teaches it. They didn’t abolish the law to abolish the Sabbath. They kept Sunday , the wrong day, but in the right way and God honored that. The Sabbath breach is being repaired as an end time truth and people all over the world are accepting it. It’s exciting to see for those that want truth and not spin.

I understand why you don’t debate, I wouldn’t either if I were you because you have no way out. Why do think anytime you put a Sabbath thread here, so many get angry. Because it convicts. It’s where the talk meets the walk like this guy who was refusing to work Sunday.

He isn’t all talk. He walks it and I admire that. Wrong day......but right way. God bless him. Rare these days.

[daniel1212]

I just showed you where it was, in Luke 23.

You can only imagine they merely recording Jewish believers acting as Jews before the revelation of the New Covenant, with pouring out of the Spirit and gifts, and formal manifestation of the church, constitutes a command to keep the 4th commandment. Such Jewish Christians would also have required circumcision, another everlasting commandment of covenant.

Can one of God’s commandments be removed from His law, yet the other 9 remain?

Of course, since there are more than 10 commandments, and SDA's do not keep all the commands of keeping the Sabbath. EGW even reproved the command for a Jew not being allowed to kindle a fire nor even to light a candle on the Sabbath, while under the New Covenant the observance of the 7th day is part of typological laws.

And I am sure I have dealt with your cultic doctrine before.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3868037/posts?page=98#98
https://freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3954151/posts?page=153#153
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3868037/posts?page=531#531
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3868037/posts?page=566#566
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3868037/posts?page=622#622
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3868037/posts?page=720#720
May God peradventure grant all “repentance to the acknowledging of the truth.” (2 Timothy 2:25)

[daniel1212]

I said “....AFTER CHRIST’S DEATH, that believed in Jesus Christ AS THEIR SAVIOR. That would certainly include after the resurrection.

More forced wresting of Scripture to support your cult. It is clear that the women as well as the men had yet to comprehend the words of Christ regarding His imminent resurrection, thus not only were the disciples on the road to Emmaus perplexed, but when the women found not the body of the Lord Jesus "they were much perplexed thereabout." (Luke 24:1-4)

But again, if you want take the later revelation of what the New Covenant entailed and anachronistically assign comprehension of it to anyone who believed on Christ prior to His revelation, then there would have been no problem with eating with Gentiles, and of not being circumcised.

Give it up.

[philman_36]

But why do today’s evangelicals destroy the law?

I can't speak for them.

[GingisK]

I'm 73 years old, and have plenty of time for exposure to numerous denominations. My father was a Lutheran pastor (LCMS). We were exposed to pastors/preachers from numerous denominations; and, I have friends from numerous denominations. You post was the first time ever that I heard your phrase.

Please post references to the contrary.

[philman_36]

I shudda read ahead.
Been there myself. {;^)

[whitney69]

“Finally, in January 2019, he resigned.”

When a person owns a business, and wishes to expand for profit, then the job changes. If the employees don’t like it, they have the option of resigning which he did. When an employee works for a company or person, they should not make the determination of how the business is run. They are the employee, not the owner. The employer expected their employees to conform to the legal wishes of the need for the business. If it did change, it was within the employers needs for the company, in this case, expansion.

I equate it to the cake makers that didn’t wish to make same sex wedding cakes. They refused due to their religious beliefs and passed up the business doing it their way and not the way of the customer. It was their decision yet the courts forced them to make the cakes against their beliefs.

From your summary on the first page:

The Third Circuit found the de minimis cost standard met here, concluding that exempting Groff from Sunday work had “imposed on his coworkers, disrupted the workplace and workflow, and diminished employee morale.”

One of the things people should look for in a position is stability of the slot. If I take a job and the job can change to something I don’t want based upon my personal beliefs, then that’s my problem. I would have to put my beliefs ahead of the job unless I was willing to compromise and stay with the job.

The job wasn’t changed, it was expanded. Mr. Groff was previously expected to work on Sundays prior to the expansion:

“Groff’s position generally did not involve Sunday work...”

The term generally indicates there was some Sunday work before the Amazon contract. So he accepted the job with the possibility of Sunday work originally. And it doesn’t say anywhere I can find that the job was going to be only Sunday work as it was shared by other employees.

Businesses to prosper have to expand or stagnate. The business did after the company accommodated MR. Groff a new position to assist him. But when the need changed, he refused to do his job, one that didn’t change his status as he had previously accepted the Sunday work. So he resigned. That I can understand for the best of both him and the company.

But the need of the company was not his responsibility. He doesn’t dictate the work. And he has the option he took of resigning. I don’t see the reason for the lawsuit if he resigned. He made the decision, why the lawsuit? It was nothing more than a business transaction that he was a major part of the decision made.

wy69

[metmom]

Yeah!! This Christian man embarrasses all you here who think the 10 commandments were nailed to the cross.

Says the hypocrite who posts on FR on the Sabbath.

[daniel1212]

Clearly, Daniel is correct on this matter.

But defense of cults means all must be forced to support them.

[Philsworld]

——>Heck; in Indiana we STILL don’t sell CARS on Sunday!

Sounds like Indiana is ripe for the MOTB when it happens.

[Philsworld]

——>Of course, since there are more than 10 commandments...

Not written by the finger of preincarnate Jesus Christ, and placed IN the ark of the covenant, directly UNDER the mercy seat. Did any others get put in there that I’m not aware of? Thought so.

——>while under the New Covenant the observance of the 7th day is part of typological laws.

If that were true, then Luke wouldn’t have said ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT, you know, 4/10, the 7th-day-Sabbath?

Ceremonial/Shadows/TYPES/Rituals, etc... ended the second Christ’s blood was shed, which was Friday afternoon, at the cross. Not true for the 10 commandment moral law, AS LUKE CLEARLY STATES.

If the 4th commandment were a typological law, which it certainly is not, then the other 9 are too. Because THE 10 COMMANDMENTS CAN’T BE SEPARATED. Break one, break them all.

NOT TYPOLOGICAL!

Try again if you want to.

——>And I am sure I have dealt with your cultic doctrine before.

As I have dealt with yours.

[philman_36]

Break one, break them all.

Showing yet again the need for Christ's sacrifice for our
sins because man could never keep the law in toto.

That's the whole reason for His coming.

[Kickaha]

Yes, you know what I’m talking about!

[Big Red Badger]

Yuppers Daniel.
These Pharisee types are lost,

[Big Red Badger]

Pharisee types...
They strain on a gnat
and swallow a Camel.

[Big Red Badger]

Jesus gave us a New Commandment just as he was About to be Crucified;
Love God and Your Brother as yourself.
.
Pharisees nailed him regardless.

[zucchini bob]

https://www.christs-disciples.org/the-sabbath-keepers.html

No sabbath for the church, thanks. Jesus said so. Rank heresy.

His,
Bobby Z.

[philman_36]

Jesus gave us a New Commandment just as he was About to be Crucified;
Love God and Your Brother as yourself.

I agree. Said elsewhere as well. See 92.

[daniel1212]

Not written by the finger of preincarnate Jesus Christ, and placed IN the ark of the covenant, directly UNDER the mercy seat. Did any others get put in there that I’m not aware of? Thought so.

The 10 were the basic commands, out of which flowed the rest of the law, and which SDAs themselves recognize different types., and not keep. And the command to keep the sabbath is one of many EVERLASTING, FOREVER, PERPETUAL COMMANDS, not all of which SDAs themselves keep.

Below is a list of everlasting, forever, perpetual (synonymous terms) covenants (binding agreements) or perpetual, forever type statutes and ordinances (laws). Note: While it is possible that “for ever” (#5769; also often translated as “everlasting” or “perpetual”) can mean less than eternal (Dt. 15:17) , that is rarely the case, but as in “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:”or “The righteousness of Thy testimonies is everlasting: give me understanding, and I shall live” (Ps. 119:144 – a good prayer), it usually denotes eternity!
1	Gn. 9:16; Rainbow in clouds a sign of everlasting covenant
2	Gn. 17:2-13; Circumcision an everlasting covenant.
3	.Ex.31:14-17; 7th day Sabbath a sign for a perpetual covenant throughout all Israel's generations.
4	Lv.24:5-8; Offering of shewbread-everlasting covenant-perpetual statute.
5	Num.18:19; Heave offering: a statute forever-covenant of salt forever.
6	.Num.25:12,13; Righteous Phineas given a covenant of peace..a covenant of everlasting priesthood.
7	Ex.12:14,24; Passover an ordinance forever.7
8	Ex.12:17; Feast of unleavened bread an ordinance forever.
9	Ex.27:20,21; Lv.24:3; light burning in Tabernacle: a statute forever.
10	Ex. 28:43; Nakedness of priests to be covered by a statute forever.
11	Ex.29:9; 40:15; Holy garments for the Aaronic Priesthood for a perpetual statute.
12	Ex.29:28; Lv.10:15; Num.18:8,11,18; Heave offering eaten by a statute forever
13	Ex.29:42; Animal sacrifices to be offered continually throughout all Israel's generations
14	Ex.30:8; Incense to be burned in Tab. perpetually throughout all generations.
15	Ex.30:10: Atonement on altar throughout all your generations.
16	Ex.30:21: Ceremonial washing by a statute forever.
17	Ex.30:31: Anointing with Holy Oil unto YHWH for sons of Aaron throughout all their generations.
18	Lv.3:17: Eating of fat + blood prohibited a perpetual statute.
19	Lv.6:13: Fire ever to be burning on the altar, to never go out.
20	Lv.6:18-20: Law of the meat offering: a statute forever.
21	Lv.6:22: Meat offering of priests: a statute forever.
22	Lv,7:34-36: Peace offerings a statute forever.
23	Lv.10:9: Drinking of wine, strong drink forbidden to priests going into Tab.: statute forever.
24	Lv.16:29-34: Day of atonement a everlasting statute, a statute forever.
25	Lv.17:7: Bringing in of sacrifices into Tab., not worshipping devils, a statute forever.
26	Lv23:14: Offering of first fruits unto YHWH a statute forever.
27	Lv.23:21: Feast of Pentecost: a statute forever.
28	Lv.23:41: Feast of Tabernacles: a statute forever.
29	Lv.25:34: Law of land reserved for Levites: a perpetual possession.
30	Num.10:8: Feast of Trumpets: an ordinance forever.
31	Num.10:15: One law for both Israelites and for the stranger in the land: an ordinance 4ever.
32	Num.18:23; Dt.18:5: Service of the Tab. reserved for Levites by a statute forever.
33	Num19:10: Law of washing garments after slaying red heifer: a statute forever.
34	Num.19:21:Water of separation a perpetual statute.
35	Dt.7:9 YHWH keeps covenant+mercy with them that love Him and keep His commandments, as revealed in His rightly divided Word.

Ceremonial/Shadows/TYPES/Rituals, etc... ended the second Christ’s blood was shed, which was Friday afternoon, at the cross. Not true for the 10 commandment moral law, AS LUKE CLEARLY STATES. If the 4th commandment were a typological law, which it certainly is not, then the other 9 are too. Because THE 10 COMMANDMENTS CAN’T BE SEPARATED. Break one, break them all. NOT TYPOLOGICAL!

More falsehood:

It is therefore that the apostle chastened the Galatians for religiously observing annual "days months, times and years" (4:10) in their spiritual declension back to Judaism, and reliance upon the lunar calendar for worship. He likewise warned the Colossians of those who would have them observe Jewish laws regarding “meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath, Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ," (Colossians 2:16,17) as such is a mark of going back under the Law (or external religion) and looking to the shadows rather than the substance which they prefigured. Once the body is come, we need not look at the shadow. Likewise the writer of Hebrews tell us in further revealing that temple ordinances, dietary and the liturgical calendar constituted the abrogated ceremonial law, that "carnal ordinances" regulating “meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation,” (Heb. 9:10) were part of the Old Testament order which was to cease, for “that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away” (likely written before the Temple destruction in AD 70).

I myself actually sanctify the first day of the week, which is the only specific day that the NT church met on, but the error of your cult goes beyond its understanding of the sabbath, and devotion to the cultic renders such intractable, and unworthy of even more attempts as reasoning from the Scriptures.

May God grant you “repentance to the acknowledging of the truth.” (2 Timothy 2:25)

[mass55th]

Never been to either of them. No Chik-fil-a around here, and my hobby is reading.