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They’re Coming for Traditionalist Catholics
The American Spectator ^ | February 11, 2023 | Francis P. Sempa

Posted on 02/12/2023 1:42:23 PM PST by ebb tide

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To: ebb tide

Rome tried to mess with Jesus Christ and His followers, even slaughtering Christians in the Colosseum. How did that work for Rome? Rome fell and eventually the Roman Empire embraced Christianity and the Vatican stands in the heart of the old Roman Empire. What did the Romans speak......Latin. Who still speaks Latin...traditional Catholics in the Latin mass. The FBI should not target or go after the followers of Jesus Christ as history is a good example to learn from. Jesus said He would never leave His Church and that it will prevail over the gates of hell.


21 posted on 02/12/2023 3:08:44 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: ebb tide

bring it on, you Statist scumbags!!


22 posted on 02/12/2023 3:56:13 PM PST by Kaiser8408a (z)
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To: ebb tide

The coming revolution will eat up millions of American including many of its devotees. Arm up because they want to spill the blood of you and your loved ones.


23 posted on 02/12/2023 4:05:42 PM PST by wildcard_redneck (The Ukraine is dead, the head just doesn't know it yet.)
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To: ebb tide

2nd amendment ping.


24 posted on 02/12/2023 4:34:07 PM PST by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: nickcarraway

But the reality is many traditionalists are the worst advertisements for their own beliefs.
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Many? How many is many? And how many do you personally know? And how many of those you do know are you referring to here? Should be easy to answer those questions!


25 posted on 02/12/2023 5:04:59 PM PST by fortes fortuna juvat (Democrat politicians and voters are dangerous psychopaths. They confirm it everyday.)
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To: FreshPrince

Attacked from within. the smoke of satan is suffocating in Rome these days.
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Of course it is because the Chair of Peter is currently being soiled by Satan’s Pope who is the evil spawn of the Satan Council (Vatican, 1962-1965)! And actually the Vatican is no longer the headquarters of the Catholic Church but of the new Conciliar Church. The true Catholic Church has once again been driven underground into the Catacombs. There are, however, a growing number of Latin Mass Communities around the world such as the SSPX and the FSSP where Catholics may still attend Holy Mass and receive the seven Sacraments. Deus hoc Vult!


26 posted on 02/12/2023 5:15:31 PM PST by fortes fortuna juvat (Democrat politicians and voters are dangerous psychopaths. They confirm it everyday.)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

Have you ever been to St. Mary’s, Kansas?


27 posted on 02/12/2023 5:19:47 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

So, your argument is traditionalists should pat themselves on the back and not try to improve, or live up to their standards?


28 posted on 02/12/2023 5:20:33 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
The Vatican II document on the liturgy is waaay closer to the '62 Missal than it is to the Mass they created a few years later.

They tried to inject ambiguity, but pretty much everything in Vatican II was closer to what was before than we have now.

29 posted on 02/12/2023 5:22:23 PM PST by nickcarraway
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” Because they’re so few of them and they’re so ineffectual and not influential. “

If this is true, why are Bergoglio and his minions so obsessed with stamping us out? Bergoglio et al. perceive the TLM subculture as the greatest obstacle standing in their way of implementing a new liberal version of Catholicism that surrenders to the world on issues like homosexuality. Is Bergoglio delusional and/or paranoid? Maybe just maybe he’s right... the TLM subculture is a bastion of orthodoxy that punches far above its weight among the hardcore faithful, young priests/seminarians and conservative Catholic intellectuals.


30 posted on 02/12/2023 5:37:35 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: ebb tide

At this point, I’d say that it’s about 50-50 that here in the U.S., within 25 years or so, we end up with what they have in China, i.e., two Catholic churches: a Vatican-aligned “patriotic Church” that owns all the nice buildings and surrenders to the zeitgeist on abortion, LGBT, gender, etc. .... and an unpopular, persecuted underground or semi-underground Catholic Church that sticks to the traditional Catholic faith and liturgy


31 posted on 02/12/2023 5:57:01 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: nickcarraway

Have you ever been to St. Mary’s, Kansas?
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No, but I assume you have something to tell me about it, so what is it?


32 posted on 02/12/2023 7:38:04 PM PST by fortes fortuna juvat (Democrat politicians and voters are dangerous psychopaths. They confirm it everyday.)
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To: nickcarraway

So, your argument is traditionalists should pat themselves on the back and not try to improve, or live up to their standards?
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Of course not! Whatever gave you that idea?


33 posted on 02/12/2023 7:39:27 PM PST by fortes fortuna juvat (Democrat politicians and voters are dangerous psychopaths. They confirm it everyday.)
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To: nickcarraway

They tried to inject ambiguity, but pretty much everything in Vatican II was closer to what was before than we have now.
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So I’ve heard, and the intentional “ambiguity” had a specific purpose which was to firmly establish all of the changes that have distinguished the Conciliar Church from the one it replaced. Satan’s Pope however is hard at work finalizing the last of the changes, two major ones being the coming ordination of women and the blessing of homosexual marriages.


34 posted on 02/12/2023 7:52:19 PM PST by fortes fortuna juvat (Democrat politicians and voters are dangerous psychopaths. They confirm it everyday.)
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To: BitWielder1

After consultation with the Dicastery for Divine Worship and the Discipline of
the Sacraments, starting on the Solemnity of the Resurrection of the Lord, (April 9,
2023) all the priests and bishops assigned or residing in the ecclesiastical jurisdiction of
the Archdiocese of Atlanta that want to celebrate publicly:

1. The Extraordinary Form of the Mass (except: Saint Francis de Sales and Saint Monica)

2. Novus Ordo ad orientem in Latin

3. Novus Ordo ad orientem in the vernacular

4. Novus Ordoversus populum in Latin

5. All sacraments and sacramentals in the form previous to the liturgical reform of the Second Vatican Council must request, by formal letter, permission from the Archbishop. The letter should include the rationale for such celebration.


35 posted on 02/12/2023 8:17:21 PM PST by ebb tide
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The hostility to Catholicism in particular and Christianity in general must be forced out into the open. Even something as blatant as Feinstein's derision of Judge Barrett is too "quiet" to do the job. Unfortunately, the Democrats will not go "all the way." For example, they won't oppose laws against murder, even though those, too, originated with God. But we can help them along.

A philosophy professor once asked his class, "Why was it wrong for Cain to kill Abel?" After a few minutes of semi-coherent talk among his students, he called a halt and gave them the answer: "Because it was."

Moral absolutes precede logic. They are postulates, not conclusions -- and abortion, which kills an unborn baby, is as absolute a wrong as any other kind of murder. Why? Because it is.

36 posted on 02/12/2023 8:57:30 PM PST by fporretto (This tagline is programming you in ways that will not be apparent for years. Forget! Forget!)
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To: FreshPrince

The FSSP and other Ecclesia Dei communities have to be feeling betrayed these days.


37 posted on 02/12/2023 10:11:05 PM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: NorthMountain

Thank you, or should I say, gratias tibi ?


38 posted on 02/13/2023 9:58:50 AM PST by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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