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Posted on 03/06/2022 11:16:06 AM PST by CharlesOConnell
Unsurprisingly, you miss the mark.
If the mark is set by the SDA cult, it's false prophetess, and it's false doctrines, yep.
Scripture is a mile from there.
I wouldn’t know. I don’t adhere to their doctrines. Clean miss.
The Almighty Judge does not, as indicated by the Hebrews 10:26-19. But then, the Spirit-indwelled regenerated willingly reclassified by his/her full yieldedness as the Father-accepted bond-slave of His Son Jesus Christ, the person who upon the Divine promise possesses the never-ending absolute eternal life for his/her once-executable decision, belongs to the OSAS group, is no longer of that portion of humanity that is included in the passage that you wrongly selected to apply to them.
As the Beloved John teaches the disciples saved under his faith-imparting preaching, the habitually deliberately sinning human has never escaped even for a moment out of the condemned segment of Adam's descendants.
"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him" (1 Jn. 2:4-5 AV)Here, John is only expanding on the basis of what his Rabbi and Savior had already nailed down completely as he had already recorded:
"Whosoever is born of God doth not commitcontinually, habitually; present tense, active voice, indicative mode sin; for hisGod's seedsperma, figuratively the Word(s) remainethabides at all times in himthe Blood-bought permanently and willingly solely-owned bond-slave of God's Son and Saver of condemned humans: and hethat person cannot sinkeep on deliberately habitually, because he is bornan irreversible procedure on that person completely finished witch ongoing eternal consequences; perfect tense, passive voice, indicative mode of Godthe All-powerful Being with insuperable Will" (1 Jn. 3:9 AV)
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but ishas at one point, is now, and continues forever passedthe status completely done with eternal consequences; perfect tense from death unto spiritual and eternallife" (Jn. 5:24 AV)And you would like to keep on sinfully denying these as false arguments? These undeniable promises that confirm God's gracious gift of pardoned salvation that includes justification with Jesus' shed-blood propitiation, upon which Jesus' righteousness is imputed to and permanently conferred upon the restored individual without a break; to that person upon which dutiful progressive sanctification of the regenerated servant-disciple-priest and Friend of Jesus is instantly instituted?
You're camping on this anti-scriptural view?
Great news!
I sincerely ask but one thing. Why were the new gentile believers sent to Torah kindergarten?
—> Why were the new gentile believers sent to Torah kindergarten?
And sincerely in response.
Where did God command His Church to do this?
If He did not command it, it is interesting, but not required.
Where in Scripture is it recorded that new Gentile believers did this?
Same.
I know this is an unsatisfactory answer, but I ask you to diligently examine the Apostolic scriptures once again with fresh eyes. It’s right out in the open.
It’s unclear what you mean by required. If you mean required for justification, then I suggest framing it that way will hinder your efforts.
Talking to yourself, eh?
They weren’t.
Acts 15:1-10 But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” And after Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and debate with them, Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and the elders about this question. So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through both Phoenicia and Samaria, describing in detail the conversion of the Gentiles, and brought great joy to all the brothers. When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they declared all that God had done with them. But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.”
The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter. And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith. Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?
More diligent searching needed.
That’s enough. It shows that NT believers are NOT obligated to Law keeping nor Torah kindergarten.
If you think and claim that Scripture teaches sending new Christians to Torah kindergarten, it’s YOUR argument for it and up to you to provide support for it. Making a claim and then sending people off to find support for something you believe, not them, is lazy and simply goes to show you have nothing to support it, therefore nobody is obligated to take you seriously.
I’m not believing something you claim just on your say so.
Strangely enough, I wasn’t ask you to, but OK.
Everything required for salvation and Christian maturity is found in the Scriptures.
There is no requirement of Hebrew kindergarten for gentile believers.
If you are not explicit in your claims, there is nothing to discuss, but I do wish you well.
Mormon, Catholic, or Philsworld’s other ID at FR ..
You’re in the wrong ballpark.
It’s that word require that hangs everyone up. I never said anything about it being a requirement. In fact, I cautioned against framing it in that manner. I simply asked what could be the first question of many more that would likely follow if one were to grapple with it.
I thank you for taking a few moments to discuss it.
No worries and I wish you the best.
If this comment is about to whom who the book of Hebrews was sent, and for what purpose Torah (Tanakh) composed much of the contents, it would be an error to think the intended target audience was gentiles, and most certainly not babes in Christ.
The remark that you made in Post 617 seemed to be a criticism of other posts like mine to Philsworld, in which if it was that, your indictment of such posts to him(her?) as being unchristian is unwarranted.
I don't know how you arrived at that opinion, but for sure, criticisms like mine weren't unchristian, but mostly Biblically-based reproofs. The core of my post addressed Philsworld's naivete in misusing Hebrews 10:26-30, in which the context does not permit the inclusion of regenerate Hebrews at all, let alone fellow saved gentile brethren (to whom the epistle was NOT even addressed; see 2 Pet. 3:15-16).
So let me ask, Is your post quoted above presuming that the book of Hebrews was written for the primary purpose of educating gentiles about the pre-Cross Jewish religion? Or have I mistaken the information you are seeking by your query?
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