Posted on 12/08/2021 2:19:08 PM PST by MurphsLaw
Mary sure does seem to stir up you Prots.
She stirs up Satan also.
The IC is not whether or not Jesus was conceived by the virgin Mary - THAT topic I would gladly defend as it is one of the major Christian tenets about the Messiah and His deity - instead it is the Catholic dogma that contends Mary was born without a sin nature and she remained sinless in order to give birth to the Son of God who was without sin. I disagree with this.
And you're right...it's a thread topic that I think is intentionally provocative in order to stir up arguments. It's been rehashed dozens of times here.
As usual you are wrong. It’s not Mary - the Biblical Mary Protestants love and respect - but Catholicism’s version of her and their insistence that everything they declare is truth IS truth and every Christian MUST accept it or be damned to hell. Even when there is no Biblical proof, or worse when there is contradiction with Scripture, Catholicism declares she is equal to the word of God. I guess next you will probably tell me I’m going to hell because I’m no longer a Catholic, right?
That's a lie.
I don’t necessarily believe your soul magnifies the Lord.
God bless you, Brother.
Nonsense.
Why would you say that? How is it you think this was aimed at you? This is a Holy day for us Catholics. It’s not all about you.
TY, U2!
“The IC is not whether or not Jesus was conceived by the virgin Mary ... instead it is the Catholic dogma that contends Mary was born without a sin nature and she remained sinless in order to give birth to the Son of God who was without sin.
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The IC is not whether or not Mary was not born without Original Sin, but more than that, i.e., whether or not she was conceived without Original Sin.
Saint John the Baptist was cleansed of Original Sin when the Blessed Virgin Mary visited her cousin Elizabeth when the latter was pregnant with the Baptist, resulting in the fact that he was born cleansed of all sin, including Original Sin.
Mary never required such cleansing, as she was never so soiled. At the time, she was the only human being who had ever trod the earth in such a condition since Adam and Eve 1.0 (i.e., the pre-fall condition of Adam and Eve). When Jesus, the Christ of God, was born, he joined Mary, Adam and Eve, became the fourth of four in such a condition. No connection whatever, at any time, to sin.
Pious belief, admittedly not required of any Catholic, has it that Saint Joseph, Jesus’ earthly father, was in the same condition as Saint John the Baptist, i.e., cleansed of Original Sin, while in the womb. For what it’s worth, Dr. Taylor Marshall is of this opinion, following the opinion of a saint he cites and whose name escapes me for the moment.
Surely you would not shortchange Mary when it comes to being at least equivalent among conceived individuals to the pre-fall version of unconceived Eve?
You didn't answer my question about Sobieski.
There is a whole lot of what you wrote that isn’t found in the scriptures..
Here’s a dilemma with the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception of Mary..
The premise of the doctrine infers that Mary and Christ had different flesh, sinless human flesh, incapable of sin.
Flesh that isn’t the same as the rest of humanity has.
The bible says He most assuredly was tempted.
It wasn’t His Holy Spirit that was tempted.
It was His human flesh.
The flesh with the sin nature.
The scriptures warn that those who confess Jesus didn’t come ‘in the flesh’ is a Spirit of Antichrist.
By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Some may see ‘coming in the flesh’ as that He was real,not a ghost or a hologram.
Some may see ‘coming in the flesh’ as having the same sinful human flesh nature, yet having His holy Spirit conceived, where the rest of us, have the serpent seed of our earthly father cast down to our mothers egg..
That’s what made Him different.
Not His flesh was different.
But His Holy Spirit.
His mother was conceived by her fathers seed and her mother’s egg..
She wasn’t a super human with different flesh unable to commit sin.
That sort of doctrine, according to scripture, is Antichrist.
And may be why Protestants and Catholics fight one another constantly.
They may ultimately realize that they have two different Mary’s and two different Jesuses. Or they’re arguing over the wrong Jesus.
Maybe thanks to this one doctrine.
Among other things taught about Mary and Jesus, like the 15 promises..
Dogma and doctrine may be best left to one’s own group.
If it gets into the hands of others, they may be compelled to test and prove all things with Genesis to Revelation.
Did Eve sin?
“We eat of the trees in the garden, but of the fruit of the tree which is the midst of the garden, God has said, you shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it, lest you die..”
-Eve.
“The serpent beguiled me and I did eat”
-Eve..
Unto the woman He said, I will greatly increase your sorrows, and your conception,. In sorrow will you bring forth children, and your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.
- God
It was a yes or no question.
<< Why couldn’t God create a human without original sin to bear His Son? >>
When we support doctrine with the argument, “Why couldn’t God...” we might run into some trouble. We could stumble into the abyss along with the Jewish leaders and their “Tradition of the Elders” which Jesus condemned as “teaching for doctrine, the commandments of men.”
Scripture teaches that faith is a work of God. i.e. God creates faith.
If God can create faith in a man, then why can’t he create faith in a baby?
Voice from the back of the room:
Then why can’t God create faith in a dog, or a tree, or a stone? Probably not that hard; he is God, you know.
Just sayin’.
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