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Pre-Trib Rapture Arguments
Rapture Forums ^ | 6/7/2021 | Daymond Duck

Posted on 06/13/2021 1:03:18 PM PDT by ducttape45

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To: impactplayer

The question is…were Christians outside Jerusalem, but in Judaea and Galilee killed? Or were Christians killed by zealots in Jerusalem up to the siege. For instance, we know James the brother Jesus was killed at the Temple.


21 posted on 06/13/2021 3:09:34 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: HollyB

Just Be ready.

Amen to that!


22 posted on 06/13/2021 3:16:34 PM PDT by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

I have not changed the scripture and that insult is uncalled for. I’ll leave you to your maunderings. This is not a notion to get angry and insult people over.


23 posted on 06/13/2021 3:24:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: impactplayer

I’m sorry what scripture is that you are referring to ?


24 posted on 06/13/2021 5:04:05 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: impactplayer
Preterism - a Christian eschatological view, interprets some (partial preterism) or all (full preterism) prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened.

Sorry my friend, that is a wrongful interpretation of scripture.

25 posted on 06/13/2021 6:34:20 PM PDT by ducttape45 ("Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34)
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To: MHGinTN

Pretty much every English Bible after the Geneva has rendered that scripture wrong. Everything from the Wycliffe Bible to the Geneva rendered it correctly, as you said, as “departing.”
Hard to believe to there are so many hard-headed folks who just can’t accept the truth in that passage.


26 posted on 06/13/2021 6:36:31 PM PDT by ducttape45 ("Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34)
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To: ducttape45
I think it is an error caused by the Catholic Rheims Bible using a 'political perspective' and using the word rebellion instead of simply departure. The Protestant Reformation was raging when the Rheims Bible interpreted apostasia as 'rebellion'. The King James translators fell into the trap of political perspective and used 'falling away' for apostasia.

The context for 'departure' has an important nuance for the chapter. The chapter starts with focusing on the gathering to Christ, relates that event to the coming Day of The Lord, a judgment period, and the un restraining on the man of sin. The passage refers to the Restrainer preventing the man of sin from being released, shows the Restrainer is first a neutral pronoun then shifts to a masculine pronoun as in The Holy Spirit 'he' as being taken oput of the way. Since it is The Holy Spirit abiding in the human spirit of each boirn again member of the Body of Christ, the Restrainer is not out of the way unless those in whom He abides are taken out of the way. This harkens back to the time of Lot, and the Angel tellig Lot that he could not do anything until Lot was out of the way, in Zoar.

Those in whom the Holy Spirit abiudes would subject The Holy Spirit to the wrath of God if they were not removed 'proton' / first so the man of sin can be revealed. I have been studying the nuances of this passage for quite sometime.

27 posted on 06/13/2021 6:59:19 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: ducttape45

Just read the first sentences of Revelation: “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show hi servants what must soon take place.” Then the next to last verse in Revelation: “He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”

Please, take the time to believe scripture. Does it mean what it says or do we can to make up something different.

Sorry - - - I’m not going there.


28 posted on 06/13/2021 7:40:49 PM PDT by impactplayer
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To: MHGinTN
I think it is an error caused by the Catholic Rheims Bible using a 'political perspective' and using the word rebellion instead of simply departure. The Protestant Reformation was raging when the Rheims Bible interpreted apostasia as 'rebellion'. The King James translators fell into the trap of political perspective and used 'falling away' for apostasia.

You are correct, and that's the way I've heard it explained as well.

Just goes to show that even the King James Bible, which I've always espoused as the most accurate bible we have, can have errors in it. Lately I've come to rely on the Geneva Bible as more accurate, even looking back at even earlier versions of the scriptures.

29 posted on 06/14/2021 1:57:15 PM PDT by ducttape45 ("Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34)
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To: ducttape45

HOW TO PREPARE FOR THE GREAT TRIBULATION AND RAPTURE

As soon as you perceive that the time for the tribulation and rapture may be near, please do the following in context with Matthew 24 (since we must maintain our scriptural foundation):

1. Locate the nearest mountain. (If you are in Kansas, sorry, but you are in serious trouble.) — “Let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.”

2. Make sure you have a full tank of gas so you can leave your city of residence — “Let those in the city get out.”

3. If you are temporarily out of town, think twice about returning home — “Let those in the country not enter the city.”

4. Make sure you live upstairs — “Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house.”

5. Don’t get pregnant — “How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!”

6. Pray it happens in the summer — “Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.”

7. Make sure you are a farmer that has his cloak — “Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak.”

8. Don’t attend a marriage ceremony — “And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: they were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage. . . .”

9. But most importantly, take your time machine back in history 2,000 years because Jesus said all prophecy would be fulfilled in his generation (Luke 21:22) and that it would happen while some of his contemporaries were still alive: “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.” (Matthew 24:34; see also Matthew 10:23; 16:27-28; 26:64; Revelation 1:1-3; 22:6-20)

10. To better understand what the rapture really is, see my article:

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=D3BD424B0B25B83F!11116&app=Word


30 posted on 06/14/2021 5:30:44 PM PDT by grumpa
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To: grumpa

You are a false teacher. And you will be the last one to see it.


31 posted on 06/14/2021 10:07:11 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: grumpa; ducttape45

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Mathew 16:27-28;

Grumpa,if you want to list these two verses,you may want to read what happened after those words. In Chapter 17.
The Mount of Transfiguration.
Where 3 of His Disciples went up the mount, and saw Him Transfigured where His clothes were white as light and Moses and EliYah were talking with Him like He was in His Kingdom of Heaven on that mount.

Three disciples didn’t taste death before they saw Him come in His Kingdom.

And take note, 9 of His disciples were stuck on the ground,fighting and losing to demons.

Three got to experience His Kingdom without tasting death.

What’s interesting is in Mathew and Mark, it was 6 days mentioned.
In Luke,it was 8 days.
So,Luke has a testimony of the event being 2 days later than the account in Mathew and Mark.

Interestingly,the world has experienced about 2,000 swine years, 2,000 cubits of distance, and about 2 days (1000 years as a day) since that event and His death, burial and resurrection.
Interesting that one synoptic gospel has a 2 days discrepancy in the same event.
As He tells time, the world may be ready for another Mount of Transfiguration event.


32 posted on 06/15/2021 7:28:46 AM PDT by delchiante
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