Protestantism, Modernism, Atheism

Crisis Magazine ^ | November 28, 2017 | Julia Meloni

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That was God 1.0.
Jesus brought the kinder, gentler, God 2.0.
The thief on the cross beside Jesus was forgiven.

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> Why do chrstians think that the “new testament” is self-validating? Why do they think that quoting it “proves” its validity? Why do they think that if Jews simply read it, they’d automatically believe it and become chrstians (chas vechalilah!)?

I have no idea.

And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. (I Corinthians 2:13,14)

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> I pray your eyes are opened and God gives you a heart of flesh instead of stone.

Verbal prayer to an idol makes one liable for a capital sin.

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> I don’t think so. Why would he require Jews to have a blood sacrifice Temple system for sin and you get off with sincerity?

The Torah Law for Jews is more restrictive than the Torah Law for Gentiles.

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Verbal prayer to an idol makes one liable for a capital sin.

I don't pray to an idol. I pray directly to my heavenly Father and He hears me. Besides, ALL sin is capital/mortal/subject to death. That's why we have a Kinsman Redeemer in Yeshua HaMashiach - He is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. His shed blood made atonement for sin.

Why are you ignoring the questions you have been asked about blood sacrifices for sin?

“Fellow children of Abraham and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent. The people of Jerusalem and their rulers did not recognize Jesus, yet in condemning him they fulfilled the words of the prophets that are read every Sabbath. Though they found no proper ground for a death sentence, they asked Pilate to have him executed. When they had carried out all that was written about him, they took him down from the cross and laid him in a tomb. But God raised him from the dead, and for many days he was seen by those who had traveled with him from Galilee to Jerusalem. They are now his witnesses to our people.

“We tell you the good news: What God promised our ancestors he has fulfilled for us, their children, by raising up Jesus. As it is written in the second Psalm:


“ ‘You are my son; today I have become your father.’


God raised him from the dead so that he will never be subject to decay. As God has said, “ ‘I will give you the holy and sure blessings promised to David.’

So it is also stated elsewhere:


“ ‘You will not let your holy one see decay.’


“Now when David had served God’s purpose in his own generation, he fell asleep; he was buried with his ancestors and his body decayed. But the one whom God raised from the dead did not see decay.

“Therefore, my friends, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses. Take care that what the prophets have said does not happen to you:

“ ‘Look, you scoffers, wonder and perish, for I am going to do something in your days that you would never believe, even if someone told you.’ (Acts 13:26-41)

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> Why are you ignoring the questions you have been asked about blood sacrifices for sin?

I answered the question.

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“The thief on the cross beside Jesus was forgiven.”

Based on Christ’s sacrifice, received through faith.

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.. and yet the Scriptures are not.

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The entire Jewish people personally experienced the revelation of G-d at Sinai, each individual in effect becoming a prophet

I disagree bro. They may have all heard it, but I believe the majority rejected it. That’s why they wandered in the desert for 40 years. Many of them honor God with their lips, but their hearts are far from Him.
Here is something Paul wrote, you know that former Pharisee that you hate. He said in Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Isaiah 64:6. But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. Are you going to be so bold, as to try tell me that I AM (Jesus) is going to let you into Heaven, when even the right things you do, are filth? Are you kidding me? It ain’t gonna happen.
If you say all these Pharisees, many modern day Jews are your teachers and your friends, these are the one I AM (Jesus) was totally angry with. I don’t want I AM (Jesus) angry with me. If you do, that’s on you. Maybe you need new friends.
As previously mentioned, you will probably reject I AM (Jesus) and that is your privilege. By the power invested in me, as a servant of the Most High God, I say, remember the men of Ninevah. Remember the Queen of Sheba.
Here is I AM (Jesus) speaking again. Revelation 20:11-15. 11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
It’s not a pretty picture, but it’s what awaits those, whose names are not found in the Book of Life. Is your name written in the Lamb’s book of life?

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> He said in Romans 2:29.

Romans 2:29 is not the Five Books of Moses.

> Isaiah 64:6.

Isaiah 64:6 is not the Five Books of Moses.

> Revelation 20:11-15.

Revelation 20:11-15 is not the Five Books of Moses.

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Whatever bro. You may not use the whole Bible, but I will, regardless of what people think of it. You can think whatever you like. It’s your problem. I am just telling you what is in store for those who reject I AM (Jesus) Those whose names were not in the Lamb’s book of life, were cast into the lake of fire. I would imagine the first ten minutes of being in the lake of fire, will make a person wonder, how on earth they will endure the flames for the next, oh let’s say 100 trillion eons.
You think people rage against God now, you wait till they live in the lake of fire, they will experience some serious raging against God, the likes of which I doubt many of us can comprehend.
My opinion is, you are not listening. That’s on you bro. Your blood be on your own hands. 👎😩🌋 Since it appears you are not paying attention, there really isn’t any reason to discuss ANYTHING with you. Have a nice eternity dude. 🔥🌋

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>>Why are you ignoring the questions you have been asked about blood sacrifices for sin?<<

I answered the question.

THIS answer, you mean? The Torah Law for Jews is more restrictive than the Torah Law for Gentiles.

We aren't talking about the Law of Moses versus the so-called Noahide laws, it has to do with God's requirement for atoning for sins. Why did God have Noah keep seven pairs of every kind of clean animals and birds on the ark? We read in Genesis 8:

"Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it. The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done."

So long before Moses, God has instituted the blood sacrifice for the atonement of sins. Even before that, when He expelled Adam and Eve from the garden, God had used the skins of animals for their covering and there was death on account of sin. The blood sacrifice was part of a covenant between God and mankind and it was to remind all of the seriousness of sinning against God and His provision of a way of appeasing His holy righteousness and justice. Gentiles don't get out of that. You said you are a scholar of the Torah, so you should know this.

Just telling God you're sorry for doing wrong and trying to be a better person is insufficient. Sin requires punishment, it needs atonement. I showed you that passage from Leviticus 17 where God commands both the Israelites as well as those Gentiles among them to observe the blood sacrifice:

For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you on the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that makes an atonement for the soul. (Leviticus 17:11)

You have NO atonement for your sins if you don't have a blood sacrifice. Christians know that Jesus Christ made propitiation for our sins by his once-for-all sacrifice on the cross and His resurrection was proof that He was the true Messiah and atonement had been made. He is our place of cleansing. Because you have rejected Him, you have none. Your sins are still with you and you will die in them unredeemed. Don't let that happen. God has made provision and offers redemption to you by His grace through faith. I pray you come to understand this truth.

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> .. and yet the Scriptures are not.

Moses received the entire Torah from G-d, both the Written Torah (the Five Books of Moses) and the Oral Torah. The Oral Torah is the explanation of all the commandments, which are very concisely recorded in those Five Books.

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Thass right. God 2.0

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Nonsense!

In Joel chapter two we are informed that only those that call out his name can be saved.
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More childish misdirection.

Why would you wish to divert people from knowing the path to Yehova’s righteousness?

Most devious and capricious, much like “Allah.”
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> Sin requires punishment, it needs atonement.

G-d is merciful and constantly anticipates that those who want to return to Him will repent and correct their ways. When they do, G-d forgives them for their sins and does not punish them for the past.

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We as in all of the body of Yeshua.
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I don’t bother with Westcott/Hort corruptions; I prefer a translation done by belivers, rather than Hort’s “Ghostly Guild.”
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> Since it appears you are not paying attention, there really isn’t any reason to discuss ANYTHING with you. Have a nice eternity dude.

If you decide to follow Torah, feel free to write me.