It's no wonder you have apostatized from the Catholic Faith.
Posted on 11/28/2017 12:09:34 PM PST by ebb tide
Go figure it out yourself.
Does St. Paul say plainly, “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.”?
Put up or shut up ebb; does he say it or not?
Thank God for Brother Martin. 😄😄👍
See posts #1201, 1204 and 1205, Luircin.
Dominus tecum.
Riiiiight.
Did you read James 3 or not?
It's no wonder you have apostatized from the Catholic Faith.
My opinion is, you are engaging in catholic speak. That means I am sure my definition of faith differs from yours. Yours might be some mental agreement with Jesus. My faith, resulted in a life changing experience. This is where the works enter in, after the faith experience, NOT BEFORE. Of course I agree with James. If some dude claims he had a “true faith” experience, but has no change in his lifestyle, I would say there is s decent chance the dude is lying. It’s between him and God. One of the prerequisites of the “faith experience” is to repent, so one cannot go out and sin boldly. If one does that, I would say there is a decent chance the dude is lying. Good works are a RESULT of or “faith experience” not the cause of it.
Now, I understand you would like to see people get saved. That’s good. So do the rest of us. Correct me if I am wrong, but as near as I can tell, the Catholic plan of salvation, is baptism, church membership, the Sacraments, works of mercy, and maybe other things too. The born again plan of salvation, is faith ( a life changing experience) that produces good works, not the works producing the faith.
One of the other proofs, at least to me, the change in my life, was something I knew I could never do myself, and for the first time in my life, I could understand spiritual issues, where as before, it was all foolishness to me. Things were different bro, REALLY different.
That is my answer, if you are honestly looking for an answer from me. It is the plan of salvation, Ebb. If you are not honestly looking for answers, then there isn’t any reason to continue this discussion. Later bro.
And that's just your opinion.
Ask me if I care.
Wow, deliberate Catholic mistranslations and propaganda again.
From a thirdhand source, no less, with no context.
That’s still real pathetic, ebb.
“So Christ “becomes” an adulterer, though he does not actually commit adultery with Mary or anyone else. He puts mercy front and center, and rejects the legalism which demanded that the woman caught in adultery be killed and the woman at the well and Mary Magdalene be shunned. The holy one becomes the sinner by putting himself into the situation of sinners, by loving and forgiving them, and ultimately by taking their sins on himself. For this gospel reason, Luther could also remark that God made Jesus “the worst sinner of the whole world,” even though he also acknowledged that the sinless, righteous Christ actually committed no sin himself.”
Sad, ebb. Real sad.
Oh look! As proof, ebby posts MORE Catholic propaganda!
http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2005/12/luther-said-christ-committed-adultery.html
Let me counter that. Even though I bet you’ll refuse to read it.
Sad.
By the way, did Paul write that by grace you have been saved through faith, not on account of works, or not?
And why should I worry about what an apostate Catholic, who seems to love emotions, thinks about me?
Hahahah.
You obviously do care, or else you wouldn’t be whining about it to everyone you just posted to.
Cryin’ ebb, not understanding why people he insults day in and day out don’t like him.
Must be a very lonely life.
Here is how it appears in the Weimar edition-in full, complete with the pertinent footnotes:
"1472. (Schlag. 239; Clm. 943, 175) Christus adulter. Christus ist am ersten ebrecher worden Joh.4. bei dem brunn cum muliere, quia illi dicebant: Nemo (17) significat (18) quid facit cum ea? Item cum Magdalena, item cum adultera loan. 8., die er so leicht davon lies. Also mus der from Christus auch am ersten ein ebrecher werden, ehe er starb.
"17) So ist wohl zu lesen und nicht mit Preger: Nro. 18) Text undeutlich: Stat oder Scat, oder ist scit zu lesen?"
In literal translation:
"1472. (Schlag. 239; Clm. 943, 175) Christ an adulterer. Christ first became an adulterer St. John 4 at the well with the woman, because they said: Nobody (17) indicates, (18) what is He doing with her? Again, with Magdalen; again, with the adulteress St. John 8, whom He dismissed so lightly. Thus the righteous Christ must first become also an adulterer before He died.
Good job! Now read the whole thing and think about it instead of posting gotchas.
Because unlike you, I’m smart enough to read the entirety of the links I post as evidence.
Now get to reading about how the quote is secondhand and without context.
And while you’re at it, read 2 Ephesians and tell me whether or not Paul wrote it or not.
Good ol ebb.
Blatantly ignores the words of Jesus while obsessing over Luther.
Committing mortal sins again? Ebb, I don’t care, if you don’t care. I will continue to lead as many Catholics out of the Catholic Church as I can. So far, I have been fairly successful. Once they are out, they quickly realize what a horrific cult they just came from. They thank me for my efforts. It’s a beautiful thing when people leave false religions like that. I am glad I came out of it too. It was the start of a new life. No more false religion for me.
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