Posted on 06/23/2017 9:12:09 AM PDT by ebb tide
My fiancé, who is from South Africa, made a milk/custard pie the other day, heavy on cinnamon and vanilla. Very yummy.
At the links you will find many references to pre-Darby Rapture teaching / sermons. But the Bible / New Testament teaxhes us about the Tribulation and the Rapture of the Bride of Christ before the Tribulation. But you can read those aspects for yourself ... you have a keen mind and I know if you read the materials as you get time, there are things to discuss that will open new lines of thinking for you ... and for those you teach.
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Meant to include you in the ping ...
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First time I saw this thread.
In a word, eeeeeyuck.
Well, I know that the LCMS isn’t going along with it, but I’m pretty sure that the ELCA is chomping at the bit to get them some of that sweet sweet Catholic cash.
Catholics believe the sacrifice of Christ is of a perpetual nature. Protestants believe it was a one time deal, when Christ said “It is finished” He meant the blood atonement had been paid and it was over.
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Haven’t read any of the replies so far, so maybe someone already made the point.
Anyways, Lutherans believe what you said too, but we also believe in the Real Presence. Just not in the same way that Catholics do, and not for the same reasons.
We believe that it’s Jesus’ true body and blood, but not that it’s a re-sacrifice. The sacrifice part is already done; the meal is a gift to Christians in order to take part in that sacrifice and to lay hold of the grace of God through it. (Not to say that believing in Jesus isn’t enough, because it is. But rather that the Lord’s Supper is an additional gift because God wants to continue to pour more and more grace upon us.)
But it all points back to Jesus’ death and resurrection, once for all. If you lose that, you lose everything.
Here’s a novelty.....the Rosary given in the 1200s.
Refusal of forgiveness is a sin, just like any other sin.
It can be forgiven, just like any other sin.
But if indulged, just like any other sin, it can lead to the loss of faith, searing the conscience, and death.
There is a difference between a thorn in the flesh and willful, intentional sin. A man with a vindictive nature who realizes that it is sin and fights against it while praying for forgiveness is saved, even if at the moment of death he is fighting that sin.
A man who refuses to forgive, even when confronted with the Law and the very Word of God is probably no believer at all.
This is one of the verses that you have to look at in light of the rest of Scripture to grasp the meaning.
Heck, I’m Lutheran and I don’t treat Luther’s writings as canonical.
The only thing not in Scripture that we treat as authoritative is what’s in the Book of Concord, and that’s only because it contains what is taught in Scripture and holds the Word of God as its sole authority.
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
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Tell me, have you done evil in your life?
Have you ever sinned?
Because if you have, you’re goin’ right to Hell if I read it the way that you want me to.
“Serious questions:...”
How serious is the asker about a serious topic if he poses but one question while calling his one question a plurality of questions?
I don’t know what you mean by “if I read it the way you want me to.”
There’s no way I believe that all who have ever sinned are going right to Hell. That’s crazy. Defining that as “the way I want it,” is double crazy.
Really, you shouldn’t TELL me what I supposedly believe.
Tell me what YOU believe. ASK me what I believe.
Please do not ping me.
But I see you avoided answering the question.
I mean, you’ve making the argument that if you do evil, you’re damned. That’s how I read what you’re saying in regards to the verse you posted, isn’t it? I just reflected back at you what you said you believe.
And so now I’m asking the question that inevitably results from that specific reading of John 5.
So have you done evil? Well, we’ve all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, so I would say that yes, you have. So have I.
On top of that, our righteous deeds are as filthy rags.
If that’s the case, how can any of us possibly hope for salvation?
You got it.
See the section from the Religion Forum guidelines (which can be seen by clicking on my name at the bottom of this post) at the following link:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3563504/posts?page=341#341
The purpose of the caucus designation is to allow adherents to discuss their beliefs among themselves without outside interference or condemnation. If I recall correctly you are Traditionalist Roman Catholic if not SSPX, correct? Has a Traditionalist Roman Catholic or SSPX caucus been denied? It’s to your benefit to have rational discussions of your own beliefs with others of the same belief without outside interjection. Open threads permit criticism. Works fine for me, I don’t see what the problem would be.
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