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Posted on 06/18/2017 2:09:43 PM PDT by narses

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To: Elsie

Glad to see you admit that Scripture Alone is not enough to make an argument.


161 posted on 06/19/2017 2:31:44 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive

Yes, but when Luther accused Pope Leo X, must like Paul accused Peter, Leo excommunicated him.

So.

1: Popes can be called out.
2: Popes are fallible and sinful.
3: Therefore we must address the possibility that Leo was fallible and sinful. If this is the case, Luther was RIGHT to call him out and Leo and all future Popes were WRONG to excommunicate Luther and uphold that excommunication.

So let’s see what Scripture has to say about Luther’s arguments about salvation, shall we?

I’ve already posted the relevant verses upthread and referred to them quite a few times.


162 posted on 06/19/2017 2:32:14 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: FatherofFive

Oh, Scripture alone IS enough to make an argument... for us.

We’re just pointing out how you believe something in blatant contradiction to your own earliest theologians.

Of course, I suspect that you know that and are trying to defend yourself with snark since you can’t any other way.

Correct me if I’m wrong.


163 posted on 06/19/2017 2:36:13 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: FatherofFive

Sadly, you have yet to see that the issue is not ‘making an argument, rather it is Salvation. And yes, The Word of God declares that The word of God is sufficient to bring one ot Salvation AND keep one in God’s Hands. So, how is that done? ... The Word of God is UPHELD BY THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD. History proves God has not upheld the Catholic Org.


164 posted on 06/19/2017 3:07:30 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN
And yes, The Word of God declares that The word of God is sufficient to bring one ot Salvation AND keep one in God’s Hands.

Scripture and verse, please.

165 posted on 06/19/2017 3:49:57 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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To: Luircin
Oh, Scripture alone IS enough to make an argument... for us.

But you still cannot provide Scripture that refutes the points I make, or support the points you make.

Let's try again:

1. What does Scripture say is the foundation of Truth?

2. Where does Scripture say Scripture is all you need for Salvation?

3. Where does Christ or the Apostles say your faith and Salvation will be based on a book?

4. Where did the table of contents of the Bible come from?

And please cite Scripture in all your answers

166 posted on 06/19/2017 4:01:25 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive

No.

I’ll answer your questions when you answer MY accusation about Rome blatantly defying the very words of Jesus and Paul.

Answer. Or admit that your fake church is blaspheming God by your silence.


167 posted on 06/19/2017 4:17:35 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: FatherofFive

So you have not been reading the previous posts on this thread and now want me to go get them for you? Typical


168 posted on 06/19/2017 5:22:26 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: FatherofFive
Are you still so dense? The assertion is that the scriptures are sufficient to bring one to Salvation. You asked, "2. Where does Scripture say Scripture is all you need for Salvation?" If you are unable to see how you have twisted the assertion then you will likely not get any of the scripture TRUTH posted on this thread.

Additionally, The Word of God is The Book, The Bible. Try to keep up.

169 posted on 06/19/2017 5:26:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: FatherofFive

You are a father of five and cannot grow up beyond playing games of taunting? Whew, this might be a short thread at this rate.


170 posted on 06/19/2017 5:27:55 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Luircin
I’ll answer your questions when you answer MY accusation about Rome blatantly defying the very words of Jesus and Paul.

Please state your specific questions.

Interesting you refuse to address the topic of this thread - Sola Scriptura. You refuse to address the questions raised, and look to change the topic

171 posted on 06/19/2017 7:11:43 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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To: MHGinTN
You are a father of five and cannot grow up beyond playing games of taunting? Whew, this might be a short thread at this rate.

BS. You refuse to answer simple questioms

172 posted on 06/19/2017 7:13:14 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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To: MHGinTN
Try to keep up.

You cannot answer simple questions

173 posted on 06/19/2017 7:16:20 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive

No. YOU brought up Sola Scriptura. And you are demanding answers from me when you refuse to answer my accusations.

So here. Answer this.

Read these passages.

Ephesians 2: 8-9.
All of Galatians 3.
John 6: 25-29.
All of Romans 3

You Catholics teach and preach salvation in blatant contradiction to the VERY WORDS of the Apostle Paul AND Jesus himself. You teach that works are necessary, when Scripture itself says that it is grace through faith that saves APART from works.

This isn’t even like your fatuous argument about what James wrote. (FYI: James specified the definition of ‘faith’ that he was using. James uses the definition of ‘faith’ that the antinomians used, which means nothing more than intellectual acknowledgement. This is not the same as Paul’s definition of ‘faith.’ So let me just nip that Catholic talking point in the bud.)

These are four passages that the very foundation of Christian faith is based upon.

Your doctrines teach in stark opposition to the teachings of Jesus AND the Apostle Paul.

Therefore, your church is a fallen church.

A fake.

A lie.

Jesus has removed your lampstand. The ‘Church that Jesus founded’ is no longer a church and has NO salvation in its official teachings.

Answer that.

Or be silent or change the subject, and in doing so, admit that you follow a blasphemous anti-church.


174 posted on 06/19/2017 7:19:58 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin
Answer. Or admit that your fake church is blaspheming God by your silence.

you cannot answer my simple questions so you continue to obfuscate.

175 posted on 06/19/2017 7:20:50 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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To: Luircin
You teach that works are necessary

No. Scripture teaches that.

(James 2:24) - "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone."

176 posted on 06/19/2017 7:26:44 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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To: Luircin; FatherofFive
Or admit that your fake church is blaspheming God by your silence.

That is one of the most idiotic statements I have ever read.

177 posted on 06/19/2017 7:29:00 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: Luircin
You teach that works are necessary

That is what Scripture teaches

(James 2:24) - "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone."

178 posted on 06/19/2017 7:29:42 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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To: Luircin
No. YOU brought up Sola Scriptura.

Duh. That was the topic of this thread

179 posted on 06/19/2017 7:32:49 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive

HA.

And that shows that you didn’t even read my post, because I already ADDRESSED that.

Hell, you didn’t even read all four passages where Paul says the exact opposite. Oh, and Jesus too.

Thank you for admitting that you are following a lie.


180 posted on 06/19/2017 7:37:21 PM PDT by Luircin
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