Posted on 05/31/2017 1:41:09 PM PDT by ealgeone
Would you agree the verse cited in Hebrews also says if you can lose salvation you can never get it back?
Is it possible to be saved without the call of the Father?
Nope.
Jesus Himself stated that. No man comes to Him unless the Father draws him. John 6:44
That inability to come to God without the drawing precludes free will.
So perhaps some hear the Gospel from a preacher, though not yet called by the Father. They accept what they hear by man, but not yet from the Call nor by common or efficacious grace.
If they then should fall away, they might have never been saved, but at the proper time and place, by God’s Plan, they might receive both the taste of the Spirit and the call of the Father, and if they receive Him through faith in Christ, would then be reborn in the spirit.
Just remember that Jesus founded His Catholic Church until the end of the age. Rejection of the Catholic Church is a rejection of Jesus.
I do hope you lose your anti-catholic hatred and bias before you die.
That works.
It would explain at least one type of person in the parable of the sower. Or seeds, or whatever it is called.
You remain proudly clueless.
He founded the ekklesia....the body of believers in Him.
Not a denomination.
That is true whether in either instance. If one can lose their salvation then one never knows whether they will end up losing it until one reaches the end. Yet, the book of Ephesians tells us that once saved our salvation is secure. The presence of the Holy Spirit is a "seal" of our salvation and a "guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it..." (Eph 1.11-14)
Mark 9:38-41 (NASB)
John said to Him, “Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we tried to prevent him because he was not following us.”
But Jesus said, “Do not hinder him, for there is no one who will perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me.
For he who is not against us is for us.
For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because of your name as followers of Christ, truly I say to you, he will not lose his reward.”
Regarding James 5, it’s discussing a physical death and not salvation, the Greek word translated “soul” also means “life” and “person”. The book of James was about getting believers back on the straight path and to walk the walk.
Not a denomination.
Haven't you said that about 8 million times, and works based religionists still don't get it? I guess the ideas are spiritually discerned, and unregenerate man can't understand spiritually discerned truth. John 10:1, I think, describes works based religionists to a T. Look what Jesus called them. 😀
Do you know why hundreds of millions of bible believing Christians, past and present know that is not true??? Because they read it in the 'church epistles' written by Paul, to the churches...Do you know where Paul got his information??? Directly from the risen Jesus Christ...
Your take on the issue comes from the Catholic religion...It is not the bible position...It comes from a lack of spiritual insight and the proclivity to reject the scriptures...
And there won't be a member of God's church in the bunch...When Jesus comes back, he will bring the church with him, from heaven...
Nonsense.
The Catholic church is not equivalent to Jesus.
The Catholic church does not save anyone, did not die for anyone, cannot give the Holy spirit to anyone, or in any other way provide what is needed for spiritual growth.
Jesus never said He was FOUNDING a church.
He said He would BUILD His church.
There’s a difference.
And there’s no proof from Scripture that the Catholic church is what He was referring to when He made that statement.
Thank you.
In light of what Paul said to the Corinthian church about many who die prematurely, that makes a lot of sense.
Since we know that Scripture cannot contradict itself, then any apparent contradictions must be a matter of interpretation. In that case, it needs to be investigated until the matter is resolved.
1Ti 1:18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;
1Ti 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
1Ti 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
Not a word in there about someone losing their salvation or going to hell...Here's another example:
1Co_5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
This person was delivered to Satan and died for his sin but he was still saved...
Pretty close!
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