Posted on 04/02/2017 9:39:38 AM PDT by ebb tide
“We are required to be in submission to the Pope.”
Not in the Catholic Church. What weird sect do you claim?
Because we live in a “perverse generation” (twisted generation) our culture has conditioned us against sacred tradition.
Yes, imagine! Lay people must obey the Holy Father. Welcome to actual Catholicism!
Why are people shocked at this? Why the surprise? We can tell you exactly why: Because for the last 40+ years, they’ve all been imbibing and spouting protestant-friendly propaganda instead of Catholic doctrine on the Papacy — that’s why. And why have they? Because they want to have it both ways: reject the parts of religion that seems at odds with tradition while still acknowledging the people who have imposed and maintain that religion as genuine Roman Catholic authorities. That is what creates the incongruity.
Now let’s have a good look at traditional Catholic teaching on this: The fact is that the Catholic Church is “a sovereignty of one person, that is a monarchy” (Pope St. Pius X, Apostolic Letter Ex Quo; Denz. 2147a). Therefore, the Pope enjoys full, supreme, and immediate authority over all the faithful in spiritual matters (not only in doctrine but also in discipline). This is a dogma of the Faith, the denial of which is heresy:
If anyone thus speaks, that the Roman Pontiff has only the office of inspection or direction, but not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the universal Church, not only in things which pertain to faith and morals, but also in those which pertain to the discipline and government of the Church spread over the whole world; or, that he possesses only the more important parts, but not the whole plenitude of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate, or over the churches altogether and individually, and over the pastors and the faithful altogether and individually: let him be anathema.
(First Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Pastor Aeternus, Chapter 3; Denz. 1831)
(Parts of this reply taken from http://novusordowatch.org/2017/01/direct-immediate-authority-pope/)
Are you pretending to be Catholic?
“narses” said: “Are you pretending to be Catholic?”
I will discuss historical facts and objective truth with you but have no response to vague personal attacks.
Have you any factual commentary on what I have stated or quoted?
Do you have any facts such as Canon Law or Papal teaching or other Church documentation to back up your earlier unproven argument that Catholics do not have to be in submission to the Pope? (I gave evidence of my claim; where is evidence to support your claim?)
::crickets::
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