Posted on 12/31/2015 4:29:48 PM PST by NYer
Go read CCC 841 and figure out if you're really worshipping Yahweh or Allah... Rome says that if you're a Catholic, you're "adore[ing] the same, merciful God" as Muslims. And we KNOW they do NOT worship Yahweh. If you profess to be worshipping Yahweh, then you're at odds with Rome and may be poorly catechized. If you cling to Rome's teachings, well, then, we're talking about two different objects of worship.
Catholicism is a denomination just like the Methodists or Baptists or Presbyterians or any other denomination -- Christianity is FOLLOWING CHRIST. Christianity not Catholicanity. There are, no doubt, Christians among Catholics just as there are Christians among the other denominations. But *being* Catholic does NOT make you a Christian... no more than standing in a garage makes you a car (h/t to Billy Graham, I believe).
So, really, the only arrogance I see here, and have seen in general, is that practiced by Roman Catholicism.
Hoss
LOL
Did you stamp your widdle foot when you posted that? LOL
Touché!
Christ's death is efficacious. It is a once-and-for-all sacrifice. And leaving it there, it's all good. But tell me: do you see Mary as having any role in providing salvation? In mediating between God and men? In redeeming us?
Hoss
Jesus is God, the Second Person of the Trinity.
Therefore, Mary is the mother of God, the Second Person of the Trinity.
Moving the goalposts again, eh?
THAT is NOT what you said the first time, nor have I as of yet, seen any other Catholic make those kinds of distinctions.
Your hair splitting doesn't help matters any.
If Jesus is the second person of the Trinity and He died as the Second Person of the Trinity, they they are not co-equal because one of them died and the other two didn't.
One is not eternal while the other two area.
I hope that degree is sufficiently impressive to God Almighty when you stand before him. I really do.
Hoss
So far we've been discussing The motherhood of Mary. A belief that spans more than Roman Catholicism but professed in it. You continue to want to jump into off-topic questions about Islam and Roman Catholicism. Make another topic and see who responds to CCC 841.
Its not relevant to the title mother of Mary. It is a red herring.
So, really, the only arrogance I see here, and have seen in general, is that practiced by Roman Catholicism.
Your constant insults are distractions as are your attempted subject derailments. You've got some kind of blindness not to see where the arrogance comes from.
Go get a degree in Theology than come back and convince me otherwise.
Did they teach the difference between than and then where you got yours?
No Protestant on FR has ever shown CLAIMED where Scripture teaches that EVERY revealed truth is found explicitly taught in Scripture.
Strawmen are so much more fun to knock down rather than actually addressing the truth of the matter, aren't they?
But I guess if you can't beat them when addressing the truth, then making stuff up is the only option left.
If sola scriptura is not taught in Scripture, then sola scriptura is self-contradictory.
Show us where in Scripture the following terms are found explicitly.
trinity
catholic
pope
eucharist
sacraments
annulment
assumption
immaculate conception
mass
purgatory
magisterium
infallible
confirmation
crucifix
rosary
mortal sin
venial sin
perpetual virginity
apostolic succession
indulgences
hyperdulia
catechism
real presence
transubstantiation
liturgy
free will
holy water
monstrance
sacred tradition
apostolic succession
Benefactress
Mediatrix
Queen of Heaven
Mother of God
beatific vision
invincible ignorance
Divine Office
guardian angel
Corporal Works of Mercy
Petrine authority
infallible
heresy
If you can't then by the same standards that Catholics apply to non-Catholic theology, they are invalid.
Kyrios = Lord, not Theos = Deity/God.
Elizabeth did not say *mother of my GOD*. She used the word *Lord*.
If *mother of God* were so effective and useful, then why didn’t the Holy Spirit use it?
Why did HE refer to her as *mother of Jesus*?
Argue the points or leave the discussion. I did not claim to be without sin.
But none of those additions to catholiciism can be in eerror, by decree of terycarl and verga, didn’t you know?
Who are “them� The body of Christ.
So where did you get a seminary degree that does not include some training in logic? Can a woman be the physical mother of someone who pre-existed her?
Here try this version.....
18 For the word of the cross, to them indeed that perish, is foolishness; but to them that are saved, that is, to us, it is the power of God.
19 For it is written: I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the prudence of the prudent I will reject.
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world? Hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For seeing that in the wisdom of God the world, by wisdom, knew not God, it pleased God, by the foolishness of our preaching, to save them that believe.
22 For both the Jews require signs, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews indeed a stumblingblock, and unto the Gentiles foolishness:
24 But unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For see your vocation, brethren, that there are not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble:
27 But the foolish things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the wise; and the weak things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the strong.
28 And the base things of the world, and the things that are contemptible, hath God chosen, and things that are not, that he might bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his sight.
30 But of him are you in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and justice, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, as it is written: He that glorieth, may glory in the Lord.
Pretty much says the same thing as the KJV, doesn’t it?
And yet it’s the official DRB of the Catholic church.
It implies no such thing as the4 name of Jesus isn't even mentioned.
It does imply diminished deity and a deification of Mary.
The Jews, out of respect did not use the “Name†of God but “Lord.â€. This is so well known that I am surprised you do not. Which is why Pope Benedict ordered that Catholic publications not use “Yahweh.â€but rather “Lordâ€, out of respect for the Jews.
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