Posted on 12/31/2015 4:29:48 PM PST by NYer
You are dodging the question. Clearly if your use of "Until" meant that the state or condition must change then Jesus would not rule. As God He will be ruling.
Now tackle the one about Michael, How many children did she have after her death?
No it doesn't...The Bible doesn't say that...Mary is the mother of Jesus...That's what the bible tells us...
Why should we reject what the bible says and believe you??? I mean you guys believe in evolution for cryin' out loud...If you can't figure that out, I don't see how you've got any business discussing the incarnation...
It's clear you guys don't believe hardly anything of what the bible says...
God's human body was created inside of Mary...God was not created inside of Mary...
When a person's body dies, is that person dead, or alive???
Exactly what I have said from the Beginning. Protestants are engaging in Eisegesis when they say that Christ had brothers and/or sisters from Mary's womb.
You think this proves your point by stating Jesus was the firstborn? I think we all agree on that.
But as already noted, firstborn is that....the firstborn.
You stated that in your post 236.
It doesn't preclude other children nor does the term limit to just one child to which you also noted in your post 221. I've already explained the Greek on that.
If you want to believe catholic "tradition" over the written Word I cannot stop you. All I can do is explain the Word based on the Greek. It's up to you what you do with it.
You've offered nothing to refute what I've noted regarding the Greek on this or the context of the NT....other than catholic "tradition".
So again, I ask....what's your point?
I believe it is a violation of the guidelines here, as well as making personal comments with your ugly condescending attitude. I'm sure you have a degree and imagine you carry it around with you.
If you were around in the first century I imagine you would be bugging those fishermen that Jesus chose to follow him, making it clear to them that unless they had degrees and were educated past their intelligence, they are not worthy of being disciples of Jesus Christ.
I can just see the purple robe and phylacteries and tassels flying...
Yes, this post has personal aspects to it. I figure what is good for the goose is good to take a gander at.
So how many of the original 12 disciples of Jesus had degrees?
(I don't expect an answer, SOP will be in effect most likely)
I wouldn't touch the Catholic 'bibles' with a ten foot pole...
Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
What's the accurate Catholic interpretation of that verse???
I'm not dodging the question. The context of the passage determines the meaning. It's understanding the Bible 101.
What does the text say?
I posted scriptural verses demonstrating that your opinion was just that, an opinion. Protestants keep stating that the term “first born” DEMANDS that there be a second, third, etc... born and it is simply not true.
I have answered the questions you asked...Apparently you weren't able to respond to the answers so you keep asking the questions...
Report me to the moderators.
Oh LOL the IRONY!
Maybe an ana-baptist will whey in.
Verga claims a degree/certificate in some form of theological training....but I gotta tell ya. Based on what I've seen so far with how he handles the Greek, or rather, mishandles it, I wonder sometimes.
No way.
I think your attack post should stay up for all to see.
You gonna report me?
It’s that little button under the post that says “abuse”
I don't ever recall asking you or anyone for that matter: Matthew 27:51 And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. Who tore the veil and why?
Can you point to the post where I did and your answer.
Why would I waste my time? I give you and your opinions all the consideration they are due... Which is to say zero.
That's why God provided the scripture showing us Mary had other children so we wouldn't have to ask silly questions on what firstborn meant...
He's put a lot of bibles out of business...I'm waiting for the Verga edition of the bible to hit the stores...
I didn't see Jesus checking the “papers” of those he called to follow Him.
And he still doesn't.
I used to write letters to Judges when working with the penal system as a Chaplin.
I would show them to my pastor. Well only once.
He said “where did you get your phd” He saw that the letter was written properly. That's the Holy Spirit I guarantee you that!
He had a doctorate in religion, what ever it is called, but was a humble great pastor. Did not want to be called Doctor.
Sorry for the tangent...
You've not heard me say it demands a second, third, etc. It's true you've posted some verses but they did not aid your argument. In fact, it has hurt your argument.
I've agree firstborn doesn't mean a second, third, etc, to which you agreed if I'm not mistaken.
As noted before....if Luke had used monogenes (only, unique) to describe Mary's firstborn then you'd have an argument. But Luke did not use this word.
That he used protokos, meaning first, first born, leaves the door open for other children. Couple that with the passage in Matthew regarding Joseph keeping Mary a virgin until Jesus was born along with all of the other passages in the NT where it is clearly noted Jesus had brothers and sisters means one thing.....Joseph and Mary had relations and produced other children!
Don't you think Luke, being a doctor and having researched his writing like he did, would be able to distinguish the difference??
Was Paul lying in Galatians when he said he met James, the Lord's brother??
Instead of relying upon these accounts, on which we all agree these accounts happened, the catholic relies upon one of the infancy gospels which they did not even feel warranted to include in their canon at Trent when they had the chance!!
Metmom get your post police suit and correct syncro's misuse of the word "whey":
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/whey?s=t whey
noun
1. a milk serum, separating as liquid from the curd after coagulation, as in cheese making.
Perhaps you actually meant "weigh:"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/weigh?s=t weigh 5. to evaluate in the mind; consider carefully in order to reach an opinion, decision, or choice:
Like I said you are entitled to your opinion. I will pray that the Holy Spirit softens your heart.
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