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Mary, Mother of God
The Sacred Page ^ | December 29, 2015

Posted on 12/31/2015 4:29:48 PM PST by NYer

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To: Arthur McGowan
It has become clear that some of the most vociferous, combative people on the subject of Mary, and Jesus Christ, know absolutely nothing about Christology. The cannot talk accurately and competently about the Trinity, or the Incarnation. In other words: Christianity.

It would be far more accurate to say that those people don't at all agree with the Catholic version of Christology...It's pretty clear those you refer to as vociferous are far closer to biblical Christology than the Catholic religion could ever hope to be...

Real Christology is derived from the scriptures, NOT Philosophy...

1,961 posted on 01/11/2016 9:37:50 AM PST by Iscool (Izlam and radical Izlam are different the same way a wolf and a wolf in sheeps clothing are differen)
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To: kinsman redeemer; terycarl; daniel1212

Based on the Barna posting from daniel1212 88% of catholics believe this.


1,962 posted on 01/11/2016 9:40:27 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: The Cuban
No I follow the Bible as correctly intterpreted

So how do you interpret this verse???

Joh_3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

1,963 posted on 01/11/2016 10:04:40 AM PST by Iscool (Izlam and radical Izlam are different the same way a wolf and a wolf in sheeps clothing are differen)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
Paul - 1 Corinthians 11:27-29 King James Version (KJV)

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

That pesky Paul.

The disciples did indeed discern the Lord's Body as he was standing there with them.

He gave them the cup and the bread and they did eat and drink of it.

And followed His command and did it in remembrance of Him.

The same as millions of Christians do to this day.

Do you suppose He tore that bread from His own Body and therefore his followers ate literally His Flesh and drank His Blood?

Transubstantiation was made up centuries later, around 1551.

Jesus called the cup the 'fruit of the vine' so it is clear actual eating the literal body and drinking the literal blood of Jesus was not what He meant.

Do you believe the following from Church Fathers? I do not:

When the priest pronounces the tremendous works of Consecration, he reaches up into heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the victim for the sins of man.
"It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperors: it is greater than that of saints and angels, greater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim. Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. For, while the Blessed Virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man - not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ the Eternal and Omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest's command.

...No wonder that the name which spiritual writers are especially found of applying to the priest is that of 'alter Christus.' For the priest is and should be another Christ" (Faith of Millions, John O'Brien, Ph.D., LL.D., 268-269, "nihil obstat" by Rev. T. E. Dillon-Censor Librorum and "imprimatur" by John Francis Noll, D.D. -Bishop of Fort Wayne).


1,964 posted on 01/11/2016 10:12:38 AM PST by Syncro (Do this in REMBERANCE of Me--Jesus)
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To: kinsman redeemer
I can say the prayer in 6.65 seconds. What's your best time?

Wow that is amazing, 9 times in a minute!

How many can you say it in a row?

1,965 posted on 01/11/2016 10:18:28 AM PST by Syncro (James 1-8- A double minded man is unstable in all his ways-- Holy Bible)
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To: DungeonMaster

De Montfort:
20. God the Holy Spirit, who does not produce any divine person, became fruitful through Mary whom he espoused. It was with her, in her and of her that he produced his masterpiece, God-made-man, and that he produces every day until the end of the world the members of the body of this adorable Head. For this reason the more he finds Mary his dear and inseparable spouse in a soul the more powerful and effective he becomes in producing Jesus Christ in that soul and that soul in Jesus Christ.


1,966 posted on 01/11/2016 10:27:43 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Satan attacks weaklings, by demographic.)
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To: Syncro
Actually, better than 9 per minute: 9.022556390977444 per minute, more or less.

After 200-300, I start to slow down, but the heartfelt meaning of the prayer doesn't change at all.

No priest ever actually gave me more than 50 to do as a penance (I guess they have to walk a balance when they're doling out the penalties for sin - just in case I start doing, like armed robbery or something awful. And still, they couldn't let me off easy for the venial stuff. )

Do you have a personal best time?

1,967 posted on 01/11/2016 10:54:43 AM PST by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: terycarl

The Latin Church is not in communion with the Orthodox Church, which is unfortunate. A major purpose for holding Vatican II was a desire to reconcile the various Christian faiths with each other.

Of course they are...pay closer attention.


True, they are in communion, but it is an imperfect communion; they are not fully incorporated in the same way that the 23 Eastern Catholic churches are.

From the Catechism:

837 “Fully incorporated into the society of the Church are those who, possessing the Spirit of Christ, accept all the means of salvation given to the Church together with her entire organization, and who - by the bonds constituted by the profession of faith, the sacraments, ecclesiastical government, and communion - are joined in the visible structure of the Church of Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. Even though incorporated into the Church, one who does not however persevere in charity is not saved. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but ‘in body’ not ‘in heart.’”

838 “The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter.” Those “who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church.” With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound “that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist.”


1,968 posted on 01/11/2016 11:52:09 AM PST by rwa265
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To: DungeonMaster

Mary merited NOTHING.

She did not earn it or deserve it any more than anyone else God used to accomplish His plan for redemption of the human race.

God’s plans are not thwarted and no human can do anything to either aid or hinder them.

God alone is sovereign and no human can change that.


1,969 posted on 01/11/2016 12:03:00 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: The Cuban; MHGinTN
No I follow the Bible as correctly intterpreted

People only interpret Scripture when they don't like what it says.

So if you're following an interpretation, then you are following a meaning that the passages don't say.

The rest of us just read what it says and go with that and believe it.

1,970 posted on 01/11/2016 12:07:26 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
God’s plans are not thwarted and no human can do anything to either aid or hinder them.

Not being contentious and just for the sake of conversation, how about when Abraham interceded for Sodom or Moses interceded for Israel?

1,971 posted on 01/11/2016 12:07:56 PM PST by DungeonMaster (Satan attacks weaklings, by demographic.)
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To: DungeonMaster

What blasphemy.


1,972 posted on 01/11/2016 12:09:26 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
The rest of us just read what it says and go with that and believe it.

I wish more people read it. I don't find many who do.

1,973 posted on 01/11/2016 12:10:55 PM PST by DungeonMaster (Satan attacks weaklings, by demographic.)
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To: Elsie; MHGinTN
Oooh... are we having a fry?

:D

Hoss

1,974 posted on 01/11/2016 12:12:20 PM PST by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: DungeonMaster; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; BlueDragon; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; ...
Jesus gave more glory to God his Father by submitting to his Mother for thirty years than he would have given him had he converted the whole world by working the greatest miracles. How highly then do we glorify God when to please him we submit ourselves to Mary, taking Jesus as our sole model.

Thus making Mary Deity in giving yourself to her with Jesus as your model.

The only one believers are to give themselves to is GOD.

You have just very effectively proved the point we have been making all along about Catholics relationship with Mary and how she's been made into a god(dess).

1,975 posted on 01/11/2016 12:13:13 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: DungeonMaster; ealgeone

The Bible says that the HOLY SPIRIT distributes gifts to men and that grace comes through Jesus Christ.

What you posted is in direct contradiction to the God breathed, Holy Spirit inspired Word of God therefore, it’s wrong. I don’t care who wrote it and how flowery it sounds, if it doesn’t line up with the truth of Scripture, it’s a lie .


1,976 posted on 01/11/2016 12:17:46 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
What blasphemy.

No kidding. Horrible.

Hoss

1,977 posted on 01/11/2016 12:29:00 PM PST by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: DungeonMaster
What you said, is a crock.
1,978 posted on 01/11/2016 1:03:59 PM PST by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: metmom
You have just very effectively proved the point we have been making all along about Catholics relationship with Mary and how she's been made into a god(dess).

I can't take the credit for what Saint Louis De Montfort has done.

1,979 posted on 01/11/2016 1:12:03 PM PST by DungeonMaster (Satan attacks weaklings, by demographic.)
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To: kinsman redeemer

It was written by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Montfort


1,980 posted on 01/11/2016 1:16:46 PM PST by DungeonMaster (Satan attacks weaklings, by demographic.)
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