Posted on 12/31/2015 4:29:48 PM PST by NYer
Because sola scriptura makes no sense. God did not leave a Bible he left a Church. That 1500 years later some German loons and disgruntled monks invented bibliolatry with the support of avaricious and adulterous princes is of no moment.
You also don’t explain why you discard all Catholic teaching except that dealing with the fact of revealed truth as set out in the Bible and the compilation thereof except by pointing to that very Bible. Sorry but the Bible can’t prove itself. Unless you can prove to me that some angle dropped a nice bound volume of parchment to a human bible protestant bible worship makes no sense.
So which Catholic church is the correct one?
Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (# 9): "The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative Magisterium." Satis Cognitum (# 9): June 29, 1896:
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_29061896_satis-cognitum_en.html
Pius 9, Quanto Conficiamur Moerore: "Also well known is the Catholic teaching that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church. Eternal salvation cannot be obtained by those who oppose the authority and statements of the same Church and are stubbornly separated from the unity of the Church and also from the successor of Peter, the Roman Pontiff.."
-http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9quanto.htm
Pope Pius IX, Amantissimus: "There are other, almost countless, proofs drawn from the most trustworthy witnesses which clearly and openly testify with great faith, exactitude, respect and obedience that all who want to belong to the true and only Church of Christ must honor and obey this Apostolic See and Roman Pontiff." Pope Pius IX, Amantissimus (On The Care Of The Churches), Encyclical promulgated on April 8, 1862, # 3.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/ENCYC/P9AMANT2.HTM
Pope Pius IX (1846-1878), Encyclical Singulari Quidem March 17, 1856): "There is only one true, holy, Catholic Church, which is the Apostolic Roman Church. There is only one See founded on Peter by the word of the Lord, outside of which we cannot find either true faith or eternal salvation. He who does not have the Church for a mother cannot have God for a father, and whoever abandons the See of Peter on which the Church is established trusts falsely that he is in the Church. (On the Unity of the Catholic Church)
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9singul.htm
Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos: Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors. Did not the ancestors of those who are now entangled in the errors of Photius [the eastern "Orthodox" schismatics] and the reformers, obey the Bishop of Rome, the chief shepherd of souls?...Let none delude himself with obstinate wrangling. For life and salvation are here concerned..." Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos, PTC:873) The Promotion of True Religious Unity), 11, Encyclical promulgated on January 6, 1928, #11;
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19280106_mortalium-animos_en.html
St. Thomas Aquinas: It is also shown that to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is necessary for salvation. For Cyril says in his Thesaurus: "Therefore, brethren, if we imitate Christ so as to hear his voice remaining in the Church of Peter and so as not be puffed up by the wind of pride, lest perhaps because of our quarrelling the wily serpent drive us from paradise as once he did Eve." And Maximus in the letter addressed to the Orientals [Greeks] says: "The Church united and established upon the rock of Peter's confession we call according to the decree of the Savior the universal Church, wherein we must remain for the salvation of our souls and wherein loyal to his faith and confession we must obey him." — St. Thomas Aquinas, Against the Errors of the Greeks, Pt. 2, ch. 36
http://dhspriory.org/thomas/ContraErrGraecorum.htm#b38
And your point is?
Call no man father
Matthew 23:1-12 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.
They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others.
But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. The greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
I don’t know that there’s anyone who does not recognize that there can be true believers in any church, except on the Catholic side where their church officially condemns all who are not under its authority.
Salvation is not through the roman catholoc church, the Methodist church, the baptist, etc.....it is through faith in Christ. That’s the point.
I guess that explains why there was no appeal to the Scriptures in the Word.......oh, wait. There was always appeal to the Scriptures in the Word.
1. The typical catholic conflation is in play, conflating their institutional relion with the True Church Jesus established as the collected body of believers, regardless of 'denominational vagaries' ... councils of believer from various cities with growing numbers of believers hashed over doctrines and dogmas, seeking consensus, proving the dogmas and doctrines do not save, do not cause the born from above identity which Jesus identified to Nicodemus.
2. God has in fact 'left a Bible' ... Jesus quoted from The Scriptures/The Septuagint and instructed Saul of Tarsus to write many things for instructing believers; thus it is by God's command that Paul wrote his letters of instruction and these became part of The Bible of God ordained instructions, just as Peter, Jude, James, John and the four authors of the synoptic gospels were doing what God ordained to add to The Scriptures brought forth to Jesus's time.
3. Christians, as a hallmark of ekklesia, hold the belief that God in fact 'left' a Bible for their instruction, as testified by The Bible that scriptures are to be an instructor of the brethren, and that assertion from more than one of the New Testament authors. God has in fact left The Church for our edification and growth. Jesus established a SPIRITUAL body of believers whom He identified as His Ekklesia, founded upon the profession of Whom He is. This Ekklesia is formed from Jews (see the Day of Pentecost preaching by Peter) and Gentiles (see the preaching by Peter in The House of Cornelius). This CHURCH/ EKKLESIA is not an institution, it is a body of souls united in the state of having been born from above by the Grace of God in Christ, not some rituals, rites, and alimentary consumption.
A human borders on blasphemy when they contradict Jesus in order to promote the institution of another gospel such as catholiciism is.
Which ONE TRUE Catholic church do you adhere to?
You can condemn all non -Catholic churches you want and claim that sola Scriptura is wrong, but you must have some sort of truth standard by which you compare things to make that determination.
What is it? What is THE standard for truth that you use to judge others with?
You need something external to the Bible to prove it. Why do you believe in the Bible? Just because it says so? You people make it so easy for athiests to lampoon Christianity.
The visible Church of Christ headed by His Vicar Pope Francis. Not that hard to understand really.
Sola Scriptura makes perfect sense because it's the God breathed, Holy Spirit inspired Word of God, is Truth, and stands alone as such. It is consistent with itself and within itself.
It doesn't need the stamp of approval of men to validate it.
It being the very words of God to us is not enough to make it authoritative for you, then I don't see that anything else would.
And the charges of bibliolatry fall flat as no one has ever built a statute of the Bible or put it on a pedestal and bowed down to it and burned incense to it, or lit candles to it.
Your post is utter nonsense. The fact us the Bible was not dropped by a stork it was written after Christ’s death by members of his Church and compiled by them That Church still exists. The you don’t want to agree with that is your problem.
Where was it found? In a cave?
Faithful is He that calleth you for He will also do it. Many are called but few are chosen. And stubborn rejection of the Truth The Word declares shows us all why so few are chosen, for so few will let Him do the saving, the birthing from above, because they are always demanding more proof than spiritual awakening. And in such demands these reject the actual Grace of God's Spirit awakening them to The Truth The Word of God declares.
Great you can answer the basic problem with Protestantism so you throw a theological hissy fit.
God left His word and the Holy Spirit and is BUILDING His church.
That 1500 years later some German loons and disgruntled monks invented bibliolatry with the support of avaricious and adulterous princes is of no moment.
Adulterous men? You REALLY want to go there?
Fine....
Try this......
Top 10 Most Wicked Popes
http://listverse.com/2007/08/17/top-10-most-wicked-popes/
1. Liberius, reigned 352-66 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
2. Honorius I, reigned 625-638 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
3. Stephen VI, reigned 896-89 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
4. John XII, reigned 955-964 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
5. Benedict IX, reigned 1032-1048 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
6. Boniface VIII, reigned 1294-1303 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
7. Urban VI, reigned 1378-1389 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
8. Alexander VI, reigned 1492-1503 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
9. Leo X, reigned 1513-1521 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
10. Clement VII, reigned 1523-1524 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
Top 10 Worst Popes in History
http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-worst-popes-in-history.php
1. Pope Alexander VI (1431 - 1503)
2. Pope John XII (c. 937 - 964)
3. Pope Benedict IX (c. 1012 - 1065/85)
4. Pope Sergius III (? - 911)
5. Pope Stephen VI (? - 897)
6. Pope Julius III (1487 - 1555)
7. Pope Urban II (ca. 1035 - 1099)
8. Pope Clement VI (1291 - 1352)
9. Pope Leo X (1475 - 1521)
10. Pope Boniface VIII (c. 1235 - 1303)
Don't be a hypocrite and falsely accuse and condemn non-Catholic men while ignoring worse behavior than they're accused of out of your own popes.
Based on what authority?
Oh? Something out of the BIBLE?
Or is it self-declared authority?
LOL, have you met vlad, verga, and terycarl?
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