Posted on 12/31/2015 4:29:48 PM PST by NYer
That wasn't the issue. It was a staff and Moses did NOT bow down to it or serve it as Catholics do with the Catholic version of Mary now.
Try to stay on track, Christians here won't go for cute little misspelled posts.
Oh my that is your idea of hate?
Calling out a poster for misquoting me?
Truth is important when posting about Christianity.
I was quite gentle, while you are quite falsely accusatory.
Considering you may be a Christian, don't join the "the accuser of our brethren."
Another way that I thought of looking at that verse, is that if I personally forgive you of a sin that you committed against me, then God considers it forgiven and doesn’t need to deal with the person over it.
The context bears that out much better than the idea that Jesus is giving a special class of believers authority to retain the sin HE promised to forgive if it were confessed. NO man can override God’s promise and decision.
Your explanation works well, too. I never thought of it that way.
Me? I’ll go right to God because HE promised that HE’D forgive me if I confessed. If I go to one of those Catholic priests, they might be having a bad day and decide that I’m not sincere enough for them and refuse to forgive, but rather retain.
Why should I take my chances with a Catholic priest when I have God’s sure word to count on?
Well that's mighty nice of you Sycro, never mind that you started the personal attack and I didn't turn you in.
Jesus died on the cross. That was the point.
But it is. I'm flabbergasted that you would have said such a thing, metmom
It was God, even God the Father, yet in form of the Son, who did die on the cross and on the 3rd day resurrected.
The only begotten had to be sent to do this...
God the Father had no other way to take our own place, the place of our (including Mary, I say under my breath) deserved/earned punishment.
The wages of sin is death. (Romans 6:23)
God is just. He is not one to defraud a workman from wages due. He simply cannot, for He is Holy.
I see that you continued on, making more sense, yet not without some problem as I see it;
All by itself that would be a a not disagreeable comment.
In the person of Jesus, God did die. That is part of the Gospel message, that it was God Himself who took that place of punishment for our sins, not His, for Christ was without sin.
Jesus did say that he did nothing that He did not see his Father doing --- and "if you have seen me, you have seen the Father".
And yet you believe Mary was sinless...And you pray to Mary...
HaHaHaHa...Shall we start with Francis and go backwards???
Uh, God the Son is the same God as God the Father...There are not three different Gods...
Uh, God the Son is the same God as God the Father...There are not three different Gods...
Therefore, Scripture TEACHES that Mary is the mother of God.
Scripture TEACHES that Mary is the mother of God even though Scripture does not use “mother of God†as a title for Mary.
Why do you know that and we don't???
Good post.
But that is Scriptural. Human reason cannot figure God out. God's ways are foolishness to the natural mind. Spiritual truths are spiritually discerned and the man without the Spirit cannot understand them.
1 Corinthians 1-2. You can look it up here instead of me posting both entire chapters.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%201-2&version=ESV
We are not God's dumb animals. We are not God's pets. We are His children.
Those who have received Jesus are the ones who have the right to become the children of God. That doesn't mean that by default that the rest are like dumb animals or pets, but rather His creation under His judgment.
Besides, I have NEVER seen anyone on FR ever even allude to that kind of mentality about the human race. I don't know where you get that.
http://biblehub.com/text/john/1-12.htm
John 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
“you started the personal attack”
Not true.
Link me to my personal attack on you.
Well, it’s not like it’s the REAL St.Thomas Aquinas.:o)
You sure do seem to challenge others with impunity. Why shouldn’t anyone else be allowed to?
Rules for thee but not for me.
Kind of SOP amongst certain FReepers.
Sources will be revealed after I am through with the lesson.
It actually is true, but of course It seems you must believe the Catholic position of Peter being the first pope.
Mormons have to believe their leaders too. I understand.
Catholicism appointed popes from Peter on until 440AD in an ex post facto manner.
For well over 200 years there was no Catholic church so therefore no popes.
There is some disagreement amongst scholars about the following: The first actual Pope in Rome was probably Leo I (440-461 A.D.), although some claim that Gregory I was the first (590-604 A.D.)
It was around that time that Biblical Christianity was outlawed and the dark ages raged on for about 1000 years.
I looked at the post again and stand by it....point out where it is incorrect.....betcha can't!
From the Catholic Bible, 1 Corinthians 1:18(I think you were the one that complained about other translations. Bear in mind that no matter which translation is used, by praying for interpretation from the Holy Spirit, God will show a dedicated Christian what the Holy Spirit originally breathed.)
For the word of the cross, to them indeed that perish, is foolishness; but to them that are saved, that is, to us, it is the power of God.Catholic Bible again, 1 Corinthians 2:14
But the sensual man perceiveth not these things that are of the Spirit of God; for it is foolishness to him, and he cannot understand, because it is spiritually examined.
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