Posted on 08/17/2015 6:07:35 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
I’ve never been to Jerusalem and I only obey righteous civil laws.
I will, of course, obey God’s Ten Commandments in whatever country I’m in.
There are more than just ten laws to which those believing they can keep the law to obtain eternal life must adhere. BUT God has offered another way: The Grace of God in Christ can birth the broken and contrite spirit to new life with His Holy Spirit in the in the NOW, not after all that they can do or after striving to be faithful to the sacraments, etc. Workign for that which God has Given by His Grace alone is an insult to that Grace.
You mean absolutely DEAD. I.e., not in Heaven or in Hell. Not existing? Annihilated?
In other words, those who are deceased are non-existent?
No Catholic claims that the title “Mother of God” is present in Scripture.
What Catholics say is that the truth that Mary is the Mother of God is taught in Scripture.
Scripture teaches that Mary is the Mother of Jesus.
Scripture teaches that Jesus is the Word (God) made Flesh.
Scripture teaches, therefore, that Mary is the Mother of God.
Scripture also tells us that Elizabeth, inspired by the Holy Spirit, called Mary “the mother of my Lord.” I.e., Elizabeth, inspired by the Holy Spirit, called Mary the mother of God.
How can Protestants read those crystal-clear assertions in the gospels that Mary is the mother of God, and yet obstinately deny that Scripture teaches that Mary is the mother of God?
Yes, He did.
God created me to know Him, to love Him, and to serve Him in this world, and to be happy with Him for ever in heaven.
Lucifer did not serve God and there there are no mosquitoes in Heaven.
Luther was a tool of Satan and urged his followers to sin, and sin boldly.
1367 The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: "The victim is one and the same...There was no "victim." Jesus willingly gave up his spirit to the Father. It was a supreme act of Love that He did, he GAVE His life for us.
He was not a victim.
It appears you believe in the “many, different paths to Heaven” heresy.
God is, from our own perspective, a Trinity. The Trinity, as it were.
God the Father,
and the Holy Spirit. To know one of them, is to in effect, know them all.
Yet;
Now tell me, and tell me true. No extra "fluff" information. Just one simple answer unadorned with any other considerations.
Which one of the above three Persons is Mary the mother of?
Or, did she...bear, and give birth ---->to triplets?
Did she bear the entire Trinity, and so is Truly Mother Of God?
I didn't think so...
[test is over and done, class dismissed, you may go].
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The term God Bearer, as problematic as even that can be, produces less theological trouble than hailing Mary as Mother of God has -- for that term Theotokos more closely adheres to the limiting of Mary to being only mother of the Messiah, mother of the Christ, who is known to us as the only begotten son of God, and thus, according to tradition of the Hebrews (a son being equal in essence, to his own father) is God. God among us, Emmanuel.
Meanwhile, to continue to ask "how can" when yet more reasons for the terminology, in English identifying Mary as capital "M" Mother of God can be problematic, and is often turned to in support of the apparent inflation of Mary's own role in the larger overall theological schema, appears to me to be obstinate refusal (if we are to be using that term also) on the part of Marionists (for lack of a better term) to grapple with the the fact that Marionism is indeed theological addition to the Gospel.
This aspect, of there having been additions to the Gospel is quite significant, and all in all is what the discussion has been about, with one side for the most part, obstinately deny there have been any additions, or of there has been, then those are otherwise justified by some other criteria, far enough removed from Scripture itself to negate be able to honestly refer to what the Scriptures have to say about it all, as "crystal clear in the gospels that Mary is the mother of God" unless Mary is the mother of God the Father and the Holy Spirit also.
And yet here we are, at comment/reply #889, shall it be?
God existed before Mary did, so how can she be his mother?
To give birth to a god, one might reasonably expect the mother to be a god. Is Mary a god?
**Scripture teaches that Jesus is the Word (God) made Flesh.**
Your like-minded sidekick wouldn’t answer this, how about you:
Are the biceps, triceps, hamstrings, etc. of the Son, God?
If so, then those parts of God didn’t previously exist before the physical manifestation. So, by your style of logic, part of God (his Word) is not eternal. That won’t float because the Word was with God in the beginning. WAAAAAY before Mary came along.
It’s pretty simple. Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God,...not,...God the image. Just like the scriptures say almost 50 times; Jesus Christ is the Son of God,...not,...God the Son.
The true and very real substance of God, is invisible, and was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. Jesus Christ, John, and Paul, affirm that fact.
Cheerio!
(it’s bedtime already)
Also, if you think that the Word is separate and distinct from God the Father, then you REALLY need to read John 12:44-50,...at least 10 times,...very slowly.
goodnight all!
Jesus is 100%man and 100% God...inseparable....she was indeed, the mother of God.
no...God's mom...O.K. now??
None at all...Catholics pray Through Mary....ask her to intervene for us.......Holy Mary, Mother of God...PRAY FOR US SINNERS now, and at the hour of our death....amen.
Good to see you TC. I’ll post the prayers TO Mary later. You know they’re out there. Time for bed.
WOW, I'm so glad that the protestant revolution came along after only one thousand six hundred years to set us straight.....whew, that was close....
In-credible! Your response has only made the seemingly willful blindness or arrogance of certain RCs even more manifest for all to see, as an argument against submitting to Rome and attempting reasonable exchange with such.
Bye.
Sometimes. In that one prayer.
There are scores of other prayers out there that can be found with a simple google search that prove otherwise, that Catholics do indeed prayer TO Mary asking her to do things for them.
She has usurped God's place in the prayer lives of way too many Catholics.
What a pathetic accusation ... revealing too much of the spirit that is in the speculator with such a specious accusation. Very catholic, to make a specious accusation, knowing it is false and seeking some emotional leverage ...
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