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Is There A Purgatory?
http://www.ovrlnd.com ^ | Unknown | Thomas F. Heinze

Posted on 08/09/2015 11:06:27 AM PDT by Old Yeller

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To: verga

Where two or more are gathered in Christ’s name, there is He in the midst of them. That IS real Presence. Are you going to show us how those three believed they ate the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus in the Eucharist?


321 posted on 08/11/2015 1:02:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: ealgeone

“How does one work with a soul in purgatory?”

Ever since I died and returned I physically sense souls whether in or out of a physical body, can read the stored memories in them and frequently can communicate directly with them.

For many years I would focus on helping spirits cross over or leave people’s bodies where they had attached or were stuck. Now I just let them be unless guided to do something. It’s not my mission to combat them, unless as a servant it is His will.


322 posted on 08/11/2015 1:30:13 PM PDT by tired&retired (QRT)
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To: MHGinTN

With your casual consultation of dead souls, I’m wondering how you ‘test the spirits’ that are manifesting for your ‘work’ with spirits of the dead?

A soul is a soul whether in a body or not. Just as you see, hear and feel people who are in physical bodies, I see, hear and feel people who are not in physical bodies as well. It is not something I seek to do, it just happens. In many ways it is more of a curse than a blessing as I feel their physical and emotional pains in my body if I am not radiating my own connection of Love outward. Our soul is much much larger than our physical body and when you are born of the spirit you begin to sense and communicate directly with your spirit rather than being limited to your physical senses.

As to discernment, when you can read the soul you immediately know the purity of it and have discernment. Your question is valid though as there are many spirits who are tormentors and impostors whose motive is not pure. 1John 4 is very accurate in testing spirits. It really works that way when they try to imitate purity.


323 posted on 08/11/2015 1:54:29 PM PDT by tired&retired (QRT)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

If the Bible is a set of instructions on how to live our lives = Words of God that lead us to salvation and eternal life = Purpose of life!


324 posted on 08/11/2015 2:04:12 PM PDT by tired&retired (QRT)
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To: Mark17

Thank you for the kind reply.


325 posted on 08/11/2015 2:04:21 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: metmom

“Next time I have surgery, I want whatever you’re on.”

Get High on God.... You can’t get any higher.

The Holy Spirit is well worth striving for.


326 posted on 08/11/2015 2:08:45 PM PDT by tired&retired (QRT)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I don’t know anyone who is advocating “rewriting those instructions”.

How many different religions and versions of the Bible exist?

Man has been doing this forever.


327 posted on 08/11/2015 2:13:50 PM PDT by tired&retired (QRT)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Nah. It’s just a denomination. It tries to claim it was first.

When you have a 1,600 year head start....you can claim that you were first.

328 posted on 08/11/2015 3:04:27 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: tired&retired; MHGinTN
What you're claiming has zero support in the Bible. In fact it is something we are told to avoid. You're attempt at using 1 John 4 has nothing, repeat nothing to do with what you're claiming.

You've taken it completely out of context.

329 posted on 08/11/2015 3:09:29 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Well said.

Hoss


330 posted on 08/11/2015 3:13:52 PM PDT by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: Elsie
CATHOLICS?????????after X number of years someone decides to create VATICAN II and you would call them CATHOLICS.......sheesh

A feeble attempt to "modernize" the church...ill advised maybe but changed NOTHING having to do with dogma, faith or morals..Some things overdone by many bishops...changing the altar settings teed me of....took away the elaborate beautiful pieces of art and replacing them with a table...probably a lot closer to the last supper, nevertheless unnecessary. Mass in the vernacular also bothered me.

331 posted on 08/11/2015 3:34:34 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: terycarl

Sorry Charlie! The church I belong to was conceived in the heart of God the Father before time began!


332 posted on 08/11/2015 3:37:53 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I don’t know anyone who is advocating “rewriting those instructions”.

Protestants have been rewriting and misinterpreting the instructions for years. There are many female ministers, many divorced and remarried couples, now even homosexual ministers even a few with same sex partners.....not in the rules.

333 posted on 08/11/2015 4:26:30 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: tired&retired; aMorePerfectUnion; HossB86; EagleOne; metmom; MrB
First you offer this: "The Holy Spirit is well worth striving for." Apparently you are under some erroneous impression that one can 'strive' for the Holy Spirit.

Then you make this comment in your next post: "How many different religions and versions of the Bible exist? Man has been doing this forever." And perhaps this is a clue from whence your error springs.

Christianity is the pause between Daniel's 69th week and the 70th week which will bring an end to sin. During this Christianity Age, the God Who created it all is placing His Holy Spirit in the spirit of those who will bow their knee with broken and contrite spirit, acknowledging their need for The Savior. They are therein born from above. Saved. Delivered from their sinful nature and born by God's Holy Spirit into the family of Jesus Christ.

This new birth is accomplished ONLY by God. You cannot strive for it to obtain it. ONLY God can cause this 'born again' phenomenon. It is outside of human capacity to bring it to pass because a human cannot command God or earn God's life. God's Life is so far beond out human capacities that ONLY by His Spirit is a man born of water then born by the Spirit, born from above.

This miracle is so phenomenal that Jesus seven gave Nicodemus an analogy that had absolutely no explanation in the Old Testament and was not explained until in John Three we witness Nicodemus coming to Jesus to learn about Messiah and God's plan.

Jesus gave the following analogy to Nicodemus:

John 3:1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. The same came to him by night, and said to him, "Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do, unless God is with him."

Jesus answered him, "Most certainly, I tell you, unless one is born anew, he can't see the Kingdom of God."

Nicodemus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb, and be born?"

Jesus answered, "Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can't enter into the Kingdom of God! That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Don't marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born anew.' The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear its sound, but don't know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

Nicodemus answered him, "How can these things be?"

Jesus answered him, "Are you the teacher of Israel, and don't understand these things? 11Most certainly I tell you, we speak that which we know, and testify of that which we have seen, and you don't receive our witness. If I told you earthly things and you don't believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? No one has ascended into heaven, but he who descended out of heaven, the Son of Man, who is in heaven. As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God didn't send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 He who believes in him is not judged.

Now before we replow this ground, please note that in verse eighteen the word 'believes' is derived from a Greek word meaning 'to faithe' as in to live in faith, trusting in God in you to be the Life directing you, so long as you submit to His Lordhsip. But if you fail to submit to His Lordship, notice there are no corollaries to the promise from God that whosever believes/faiths is not judged.

Understand that Jesus told Nicodemus something that had not one hint even of the reason behind the event in the desert, with the brass snake raised up on a pole so that whoever looked tot he brass snake was healed of the snake bites! There was no healing those snake bites by man's striving to do so. ONLY faithing in the gift of God resulted in the healing and delivery from death by snake bite.

Christianity is the life lesson lived for almost 200 years now first shown way back in the desert and Moses with the Brass Snake. ONLY faith makes possible God placing His life back in mankind. And He has Promised (and what Promise is more assured than one from God) to cleanse you from all sin when you trust/believe/ faithe in Jesus Christ as Lord and your Savior. Once born from above, His Life is responsible for your eternal Life in the now and forever.

One last question you might want to face: If you bow your head right now and acknowledge your need for His Salvation, His eternal Life, what sin could you commit in the future that would take God by surprise? ... He sees the end from the beginning. That's why Jesus said No Man can take those in Him from His hands. That no man includes you for your deliverance. Once He delivers you, not even you can take you from Him. That is utter defeat for satan.

334 posted on 08/11/2015 4:32:47 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: avenir; mlizzy; Grateful2God; Elsie; Tennessee Nana; RnMomof7; Alamo-Girl

Meant to ping you to the above post.


335 posted on 08/11/2015 4:35:41 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN

Make that lived now for nearly 2000 years. Tired hands. stiff fingers.


336 posted on 08/11/2015 4:37:38 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Mark17
((((ping)))) There is no reason for Purgatory with those born from above, right Br'er?
337 posted on 08/11/2015 4:39:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN
There is no reason for Purgatory with those born from above, right Br'er?

Affirmative sir. I have no intention of spending any time there. 😂

338 posted on 08/11/2015 5:04:09 PM PDT by Mark17 (How could anyone suspend himself upon a cross and die for me, die willingly, to set us free.)
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To: terycarl

“Protestants have been rewriting and misinterpreting the instructions for years. There are many female ministers, many divorced and remarried couples, now even homosexual ministers even a few with same sex partners.....not in the rules. “

If you insist on lumping every non-Roman together and calling them Protestant, I will also call every feminist priest movement, pedophile catholic, gay catholic movement, married priest movement, remarried catholic movement, etc., etc. all CATHOLIC. This would be consistent.

I would hope you might be able to distinguish. For this reason, it appears your comment is either ignorant of reality or pejorative in nature. Neither of which is worthy of FR.

Best


339 posted on 08/11/2015 5:28:59 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: Salvation

God provided his word, and he’s more than capable of preserving his word. I will stick with God’s word, than some made up stuff.


340 posted on 08/11/2015 5:40:43 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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