Posted on 07/09/2015 9:33:36 AM PDT by RnMomof7
The disciples knew He was using the unleavened bread of Passover to show His death as the actual death prefigured in the Passover. The Passover lamb was slain, the blood was poured out upon the earth and a small portion was spread on the doorposts and lintel as a sign for the death Angel to pass over that home. The Levitical law was not violated by drinking some of the blood. That's Paganism.
Then inside the Home the sacrificed lamb was eaten, all of it, leaving nothing except what would be burned up to finish it. Had Jesus been offering His real flesh (which He had taught them but apparently not you was going to profit nothing in eating it) then He would have been fully consumed or burnt up in closing the Passover meal.
But Jesus had not yet been slain the night of the Passover Seder, so He would not have offered eating of the passover actual lamb slain from the foundation of the world because He was not yet slain. So what do you think He meant by 'this bread is my body to be sacrificed for you'? ... He and the disciples left the Passover meal and went to the Mt. He was not burnt up as the Passover actual sacrifice was commanded to be dealt with if there was any leftovers.
“. . . and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”
Mary, was the unleavened bread nailed to the cross? Did Nicodemus pay lots of money to treat the remains of unleavened bread? Mary, Jesus was using the whole scene of Passover to teach His disciples and you that ‘He is the Passover lamb TO BE SLAIN’. The entire symbolic Passover emal was the substance of what Jesus using as His tool to open the eyes of the disciples as to why He was going tot he Cross the next day. And ya know what, Peter still didn’t get it! Yes, the same Peter ctholicism claims to position as their first pope, even with Jesus suing the entire Passover meal to teach them the essence of the new covenant, Peter was still hung up on the dying part. At least he was stuck on the death and sacrifice part, not the simple unleavened bread.
Exactly! So why did Christ say of the bread "This is My Body." So why or how is the bread like His Body?
No, these threads are not an anti-Catholic game. They are discussions based on clear teaching of incontrovertible Biblical truths. If your belief structure bounces off it, that's your problem.
Now, take your eyes off of the bread for a moment and focus upon the way God's Life gets in the believer. Is it by eating Jesus in any form, or is it solely the power of God's Holy Spirit, as illustrated for you on the day of Pentecost and in the house of Cornelius? Focus upon that and let God's spirit whisper the answer to you. As Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so shall the son of man be lifted up that all who look upon Him shall have eternal Life ... not, all that eat his real substantially present body, blood, soul and DIVINITY shall get god-life into them via gastronic function.
So why did He say it? Or am I over my limit for asking a question and not getting an answer? Is it 3 times and then you conclude the answer is “No answer”?
IF you ever study the why for the pouring out of the blood rather than ingesting it, you will be gob smacked at the arrogance of assuming a catholic priest can offer you the blood to drink or in a wafer. You can refuse to awaken to Truth, but it is not wise.
Jesus would not violate IN ANY WAY the laws He came to fulfill, one of which is found in Leviticus 3:17. His Flesh He offered up upon the cross for you and for me. His blood was poured out upon the ground at the foot of the cross fulfilling something begun in the time of Abel, son of Adam. His blood was also sprinkled on the Mercy above the laws of sin and death.
The Mercy Seat was right over the books of the laws in the ark below the Mercy Seat. When God looks (we are being figurative) down at the laws to weigh you against His righteousness, He sees the perfect righteous blood of Jesus and not past that perfection. He does not see the laws of sin and death because The Blood of Jesus Christ covers those laws for you.
RCs tell us that we are to understand the eating the flesh and drinking the blood literally. Think about the position the RCs here are arguing. The unbelievers who left Jesus ... they were the ones who took the sayings of Jesus literally. The ones who responded "How can this man give us his flesh to eat ... " ... are the ones who walked away.
So the RCs here are in the embarrassing position of supporting the view of the unbelieving masses (no pun intended) who left.
So how does “This My Body” function as a metaphor? What does the “My Body” illuminate about the bread? Because the sentence is about the bread.
I’m asking you for a purely literary answer.
Using catholic Magic Thinking, they will shift the scene on you, trying to take you away from what is an embarrassment to their heresy, over tot he legitimate scene the night before He went tot he Cross. But if you press the point of the Passover, they will immediately shift back to the specious reference from the year before. You can tell them that Jesus was using sarcasm to winnow the weak ones who would not be ‘down for the struggle’, but that only shifts their magic thinking to ‘do whatever he says, just do it.’ It is a lesson in what I’ve dubbed selective literalism. It is like jello and nails and walls, but only the Holy Spirit can break through the darkness with a flicker of Truth’s Light. And lest we forget, that is exactly why He command us to be about the family business, proclaiming the Gospel of His Grace offered to us in Jesus Christ.
Gestural metaphors just work that way. If you know what I mean when I show you my daughter’s picture, and say “This is my little angel,” then you should be easily able to solve what Jesus is saying. The bread is the metaphor, and His body is the topic, the thing the bread is teaching about. As the bread is broken, so His body will be, for us. As the wine is poured out, so His blood will be, for us. These are remembrances of His death on our behalf. This is the Gospel in a picture. The meaning could not be more clear.
Peace,
SR
To what question? You see, you want a literary answer, which brings us to metaphor and simile and idiom. I’m an old writer. Those are my stock and trade in fiction. But Jesus used these to convey spiritual Truths. He spoke in parables to the masses. He used sarcasm to winnow out those who were just ‘thrill seekers’ looking for spectacular miracles like the manna which came every night for FORTY YEARS. He made comparisons and stuck absolutely to the real Laws of Moses, the Ten Commandments which define the Character of God. The only Man who ever lived to the perfect level of God’s Character in keeping the Ten Commandments was Jesus. He never sinned because His seed remained within Him. God’s Life remained in Jesus throughout His life on this 4D spacetime level. Then, He offered up His fleshly body and the life in His human blood to fulfill the required keeping of the commandments for you and for me.
But broken is just what His Body wasn’t — “not a bone of him shall be broken.”
Dead is broken, bones notwithstanding. You know what happens internally during a crucifixion? Not to mention the spear penetrating to the pericardium. Play with that definition if you like, but beaten to a bleeding pulp and crucified and killed is as broken as it gets.
Peace,
SR
If that were actually true, there wouldn’t be the “In before...” and the counting-coup and the celebratory dancing.
John 6:35 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Jeremiah 15:16 Your words were found and I ate them, And Your words became for me a joy and the delight of my heart; For I have been called by Your name, O LORD God of hosts.
Jesus is the embodiment of God's word. When He told us to eat His flesh He was talking about eating the word of God just as Jeremiah did. Only the carnally minded focus on the natural/physical flesh.
Christs is NOT a victim and never has been.
He offered Himself. Nobody took His life from Him. He gave it.
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