Posted on 05/30/2015 5:44:50 PM PDT by ebb tide
may it be proper to add something that is in the river and chewing on a piece of grass ... tell us Joe ... how long must I stay here? I know ... there is no cair or moonshine ...
Or, we could just go by what Christ had to say on the subject.
“I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Who’s Bible are your reading, Luther’s?
From Mark; Chapter 10:
[2] And the Pharisees coming to him asked him: Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. [3] But he answering, saith to them: What did Moses command you? [4] Who said: Moses permitted to write a bill of divorce, and to put her away. [5] To whom Jesus answering, said: Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you that precept.
[6] But from the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female. [7] For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother; and shall cleave to his wife. [8] And they two shall be in one flesh. Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. [9] What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. [10] And in the house again his disciples asked him concerning the same thing.
[11] And he saith to them: Whosoever shall put away his wife and marry another, committeth adultery against her. [12] And if the wife shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
Matthew 19: 9
(NIV) I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.
(Douai) And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery.
In Mark the exception to the general rule is not mentioned, in Matthew it is.
The keys to loose and bind sins were given to whom?
Jesus Appears to the Disciples
…22And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23”If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”
Is there a limit on that?
Sorry, but I don’t believe the Pope was given authority to overrule Christ.
I realize others disagree, and that’s fine. Someday we’ll find out who is right.
No Catholic, except maybe for Kasper, Maradiaga, Marx or Francis, thinks any pope can overrule Christ.
From Mark; Chapter 10:
[9] And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery.
You guys are always so full of deception...
Here's your Catholic bible by Jerome...Reads the same as Luther's bible...
Matthew 19:9
(DOUAYRHEIMS)
9 And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery.
The porneia referred to is anterior to the union in question: our Lord is saying one may leave a spouse whose unchastity is discovered to have been to a degree that throws into doubt his/her intention to commit to a permanent and exclusive union.
And what of the deserted Catholic? Who intended to enter into a lifelong Catholic marriage, did it in the Catholic Church and was abruptly abandoned because spouse “fell in love with another”?
Apparently that is what your religion wishes it said...And what your religion twists it to say...But it doesn't say that does it...
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
It means what it says...Divorce is allowed when the wife is unfaithful during the marriage...
I've said this before. I think what will happen is there will be exceptions delineated in canon law to allow for certain divorced and remarried to receive communion. We already have non-Catholics receiving communion with the 1983 Code of Canon Law which was never allowed before then.
Now we can add allowing divorced and remarried to communion to the non-Catholic laws. And then all the Modernist apologists here and elsewhere can say, "well it's JUST discipline, not doctrine! Discipline can change!"
In that case, one can generally assume the spouse has committed adultery with her new lover, and the deserted spouse is free to remarry.
Or at least that’s how I see it.
That makes absolutely zero sense.
Unchastity prior to the marriage can make it invalid, but sexual infidelity after the wedding is irrelevant?
The Greek work translated in KJV as fornication refers to any sort of sexual misconduct. The English word fornication implies misconduct by an unmarried person, but the Greek word is a much broader term.
Most modern versions translate this verse as: sexual immorality, infidelity, unchastity or some similar term.
Here’s how the Expanded Bible reads: “The only reason for a man to divorce his wife is if his wife has sexual relations with another man.”
Here’s a discussion of the Greek word porneia.
I believe the only reason the pope is even considering the issue is because there are so many people whinnying that they are not allowed to take communion.
Or maybe many clergy are wanting more people in the Church for financial sake
The question I would ask is this: does the Church teach that you have to take communion to be saved?
If you do and these people believe it why would they not also believe the rules concerning taking communion?
And if they don`t have to take communion to be saved what could be the problem unless they just want to whine?
I believe these are just a bunch of whinnying hypocrites who are most likely children of hell who are the same thing regardless if they take communion or not.
If the Pope really believes he is the successor of the Popes who were successor of St Peter who got his teaching from God himself then he must believe God was wrong if he caves in to these people..
Personally I do not take communion and do not believe that will save any one but if I did I would still not take it because it would make a liar out of me.
Paul said examine your self, you can examine your self all day long but can you change your circumstance? some things you may change but others you can not, those things you can not change may prevent you from taking communion.
live with it.
There are many circumstances we get our selves into that can not be changed with out doing more wrong and possibly even worse wrong than what we did to begin with.
We are going to have to live with it and pray that we have enough faith for Gods grace to reach us when the great day comes.
John 6
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
That an interesting comment. It appears to be a resignation to the sin of despair, with a little bit of presumption thrown in.
Do you believe in Hope? As in Faith, Hope and Charity?
Yeah, but there is also reality.
If a wife divorced a man ten years ago and he remarried and has five children with his second wife ne can not leave his wife and children and go back to his first wife with out doing much more wrong than he may have to begin with.
But he also should not take communion.
Do you believe in it or do you just like to ask that of others?
1. The man should have never remarried without a valid annulment.
2. If the man is repentant, he could continue to live with his "mistress" as brother and wife.
That's reality. One can't rationalize oneself out of sin. God knows all.
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