Posted on 03/05/2015 10:22:56 AM PST by NYer
He’s wearing a pin,,
how nice.
In countries with moslem majorities (or even a critical mass of a minority of moslems), the interpretation of islam is stricter than elsewhere. In other words, most of the moslems in the most islamic countries do, actually, pretty much want to kill us all, or at the very least, make us all dhimmis.
Islam must be destroyed.
Catholics will need to answer that for themselves.
Catholics neither propose nor need to answer that question.
As shown in the quote you posted from the Catechism, the only question we propose to answer is that they (1) profess to worship the God of Abraham and (2) do indeed worship the one, true God. From that point on, great saints such as JPII have said such as the following:
Whoever knows the Old and New Testaments, and then reads the Koran, clearly sees the process by which it completely reduces Divine Revelation. It is impossible not to note the movement away from what God said about Himself, first in the Old Testament through the Prophets, and then finally in the New Testament through His Son. In Islam all the richness of God's self-revelation, which constitutes the heritage of the Old and New Testaments, has definitely been set aside. Some of the most beautiful names in the human language are given to the God of the Koran, but He is ultimately a God outside of the World, a God who is only Majesty, never Emmanuel, God-with-us. Islam is not a religion of redemption. There is no room for the Cross and the Resurrection(p. 92).
Eagleone posted a helpful link on this same issue before and I'll post it here for anyone who is interested in the Catholic view on this issue:
http://www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/do-muslims-worship-the-same-god-catholics-do
An excerpt:
Thus, we Catholics have to be careful to distinguish between the fact that Muslims believe in the one true God living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, and the fact that they get it wrongprofoundly wrongwhen it comes to both who God has revealed himself to be in the New Testament, and what he has taught his people.
“Thus, we Catholics have to be careful to distinguish between the fact that Muslims believe in the one true God living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, and the fact that they get it wrongprofoundly wrongwhen it comes to both who God has revealed himself to be in the New Testament, and what he has taught his people.”
Thus meaning in other words, there are way, way too many differences to claim it is the same God when it makes for two different God(s).
From there, there is not much we agree on, as suggested by the fact that the catechism's list, starts with Catholics (837), then other Christians (The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."322 Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."323 With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord's Eucharist" (838), then the Jews "the first to hear the Word of God" (839 and 840) then the Muslims as the first example of non-Christians and non-Jews who "acknowledge the Creator" (841) and that comes right before 842 which summarizes the rest of the non-Christian religions before adding:
844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:
Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.
Which I think answers the intial question you asked pretty well.
You really need to educate yourself on what pre-Vatican II popes and saints had to say about the diabolical sect of Mohammed/Islam and Muslims. Very different than what JPII had to say.
Anyone who believes that does NOT know the God of scripture.
And, once again, SStuff,DD... (((yawn)))
I don’t think there is a pope in Christianity, either.
“And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.”
Dear JoAnna Wahlund,
“Going back to the Coexist refutation, I dont believe that the authors intent was to say that every single Muslim on the planet would eradicate all non-Muslims if given the chance.”
This is precisely what the 12er Shiite sect in Iran believes, and why they as many nuclear weapons as possible for use against the non-believers, the Great and Little Satans, and Rome. They believe that mass blood will bring the 12th Imam out of the well he climbed into centuries ago; he will smell the scent of that blood, emerge and lead all of humanity to Paradise (aka extinction).
The Sunni, on the other hand, will leave alive only those non-muslims who are willing to be dhimmis or those wealthy enough to pay the non-Muslim poll tax. All others will be killed.
All muslims not willing to go along with either overall plan will be considered apostates and killed. So if there is some “peaceful” muslim lurking in some dark alley, he will be found and will either follow the plan or be killed. Therefore and ultimately, your attempt to defend Islam is misleading at best, taqiyya at best because it is correct to say that “every single Muslim on the planet would eradicate all non-Muslims if given the chance.”
So the male person who raised you. What did you call him?
When you introduced the male person who raised you did you ever say “I’d like you to meet my father”?
OR did you substitute something else?
Please don’t try to read my mind; you don’t know whether I have already educated myself on their writings and statements on this issue. If you have particular examples you’d like to highlight, that’s what this forum is for, but please don’t suggest that a fellow freeper is not educated.
Fair enough. Have you? And if you have, please explain how you come to the conclusion that what JPII had to say about Islam and Muslims agrees with what pre-Vatican II popes and saints had to say.
Incorrect. I stated no such conclusion.
Based on an out-of-context quote from the Catechism, which was released long after Vatican II, a commenter accused the Catholic Church of somehow being responsible for explaining divergent views of killing in Islam. In response, I put the Catechism reference in context in a manner which negated his or her claim, using the Catechism and contemporaneous staements by JPII.
If you would like to suggest a new and different topic for discussion, i.e. comparing current catholic teaching on this issue with the teaching of the Church before Vatican II, that sounds like a great idea. But I'd like to see you start the research since you suggested the topic.
I now see what your focus was in your original post. I thought the commenter was making a different point to begin with; therefore I totally missed it. Mea Culpa.
haha, indeed. And visit Photoshop so you can put a pot on his head or a rag on it or something that makes us laugh a bit.
Allah = SATAN.
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