Is The Roman Catholic View of the Eucharist Supported by the Historical Evidence?

In Plain Site ^ | Jason Engwer

[HossB86]

He was not speaking of His sacrifice.

Now I've heard it all.

Take care.

Hoss

[rwa265]

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,

No different than sending out the 72; is it?

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Do a web search on sending out the 72 commission or sending out the 12 commission, and then do a search on the great commission. You will find that there is a big difference. The results for the 72 or 12 mention how Jesus sent them out on specific commissions. The results for the great commission show that Christians of all stripes believe that Jesus truly instituted something that is being carried out to this day.

Here is just one example; there are many more:

The Great Commission was not just for the immediate disciples that He was speaking to but it is given to all believers. Today, the Great Commission is still being fulfilled by international missionary work, by local churches in actively seeking the lost in their community, in outreach activities and by believers witnessing for Jesus Christ to their next door neighbor. The Great Commission will not end until the consummation of the Kingdom of Heaven. That is, during the church age today, all believers are commanded to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ and to go into all the world, even if it starts next door.

Read more: http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/what-is-the-great-commission-bible-verse-and-explanation/#ixzz3SWHltIXI

[LurkingSince'98]

Well you havent heard it all...
You just think you have.

The Fourth Cup & Lamb of God
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[LurkingSince'98]

It doesnt mean what you think it means

Short story.

In the Bible when you read the account of the Last Supper, the Passover Meal, only three cups of wine were consumed. In Jewish Tradition, 4 cups had to be drunk or the ceremony was incomplete. (The Lamb also had to be eaten.)

Jesus also said the fruit of the vine shall not pass my lips....

The fourth cup was never drunk at the passover meal, the meal was not yet finished.

On the Cross, Jesus said “I thirst”. (Scott Hahn gets into how unlikely that is for various reasons, medical and otherwise.)

At that time, Jesus was given Wine. Sour Wine, but wine none the less, the fourth “cup”. After Jesus drank, He said, it is finished. These words according to Hahn refer to the passover meal.

http://www.star.ucl.ac.uk/~vgg/rc/aplgtc/hahn/m4/4cp.html

[ealgeone]

thought you were done posting to either of us?

[HossB86]

Nope.

Take care.

Hoss

[HossB86]

And I'm supposed to believe something written by a person who subscribes to the CCC which equates Mary with Christ? That substitutes man-made rules for God's word?

I wouldn't trust this as far as I could throw it.

Sorry.

Hoss

[LurkingSince'98]

you know if you never read anything different than what you believe you can never be sure you are right.

you take care too.

For the Greater Glory of God

[HossB86]

Nah. Probably not. I’m done though.

You?

Hoss

[HossB86]

you know if you never read anything different than what you believe you can never be sure you are right.

Interesting. Maybe this is advice you should take. I've read God's word. I've trusted in its inerrancy...you should try it.

Take care....

Hoss

[LurkingSince'98]

I’m sorry you believe that because I have met him in person and read his books and never even one time has he equated Mary with God.

I would appreciate getting a single quote and attribution where he stated that

Thanks

[LurkingSince'98]

well I actually read Scripture.

Just one question about that Scripture:

How could His Sacrifice be finished as in “It is finished” when He had not yet died or been resurrected

theologians both Catholic and protestant agree that his sacrifice was complete when He died on the cross

some wold even argue that it was not completed until He was Resurrected...

Then how could it be ‘finished’ when it had not been finished?

Could Christ say something inaccurate, was He misquoted?

Or was He speaking of something else being finished?

So theologically and scripturally - What was finished??

[HossB86]

Okay. Here you go. “tetelestai”

Hoss

[HossB86]

Oh. Wow. Just saw this.

Sheesh.

Hoss

[terycarl]

CCC 969 == Mary as mediatrix CCC 841 == stating that mohammedans worship the same God as Catholics. These are glaring. Hoss

Neither an infallible teaching......next??

[HossB86]

They are taught by the RCC. They may not be infallible, but they ARE heretical.

End of line.

Hoss

[terycarl]

Interesting! To what standard will you hold the man?

The same standards that I hold any other man. If He says something "Ex Cathedra" and makes it an official church teaching, I will accept it as such. If he states a personal opinion on something, I will take it as just that. He is from a socialist background and some of his views on capitalism don't jibe with some of mine....oh well.

I will accept his statements on church teachings and interpretation of them as a person highly educated in Catholic doctrine and will weigh them carefully to ascertain exactly what he is teaching....he is a teacher, after all.

We'll see...so far so good but I do pay close attention!!

[terycarl]

"...I'll stick with untold billions of Catholics who are right....whatever...

Can you tell us just how many are 'poorly catechized'?

too many, some have actually left the true church of Christ and become......(shudder)...Protestants...