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How the fictional early papacy became real
Beggars All Martin Luther's Mariology ^ | June 7,2010 | John Bugay

Posted on 02/14/2015 1:16:14 PM PST by RnMomof7

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To: Salvation
The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church has the truth.

Wrong. Jesus and the word of God are truth and nobody owns it.

21 posted on 02/14/2015 2:01:50 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ElkGroveDan; RnMomof7
"So let me guess, you incite conflict on Saturdays and then pick up your Bible and go to church on Sundays?"

You have no idea how much of a favor she is doing for you. She is caring deeply for your life, attempting to alert you to the fraud that is Rome. Please review the succession of Rome from Irenaus, who lists the first 12 so-called "Bishops of Rome"...Peter is not there. This list occurred sometime between 178 - 200AD.

Further, read (without the jaded eyes of Rome) the pornocracy of Sergius III. His mistress, Marozia (daughter of Theodora) was both a prostitute and an accomplice to murder. Read about Theodora bedding Ravena and the debauched lives lead by the popes she installed. Check the obsession of John XII for illicit sex until it was no longer safe for women in Rome. We could go on, but the point is the same. Your organization is built on a lie, corrupt to the core. The One to whom RnMomof7 points you is Jesus, alone. He is the Rescuer...not Rome.

22 posted on 02/14/2015 2:02:30 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: metmom
"Catholics are great at making assertions but come up really short on providing any substantiation of them. When someone challenges them, they're sent off to *Look it up yourself*, which is really saying..... *I can't support what I just claimed*."

You just made several unsupported assertions.

23 posted on 02/14/2015 2:03:36 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd ("We are condemned by men who are themselves condemned" -- The Most Reverend Marcel Lefebvre)
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To: RnMomof7

More *attack the messenger* instead of addressing the topic of the thread and refuting it.

Looks like you hit a nerve again.

I wonder why they don’t react like that on the hit pieces RC’s post about Protestantism?


24 posted on 02/14/2015 2:04:11 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: miss marmelstein

I suppose it’s perspective. If we are looking for truth from scripture or simply use scripture out of context to falsely support some religion that has strayed from the truth of scripture.


25 posted on 02/14/2015 2:05:03 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Do you want me to start keeping track of the number of times I’ve been told to *Look it up yourself*?

I can do that.

In the meantime, can you provide some solid evidence refuting the statements made in this article?


26 posted on 02/14/2015 2:06:00 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: miss marmelstein
And if anyone spams me with Biblical quotes, I’m gonna report it.

Scripture = spam, eh?

I wonder what God thinks about that kind of attitude towards the words that He breathed out and inspired men to write about Him so that they could come to know Him......

27 posted on 02/14/2015 2:08:35 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
"Do you want me to start keeping track of the number of times I’ve been told to *Look it up yourself*?"

Oh, please do. But also track the context; if somebody in the garden center tell you to look up the price of terracotta pots yourself, don't count it in your tally.

28 posted on 02/14/2015 2:09:41 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd ("We are condemned by men who are themselves condemned" -- The Most Reverend Marcel Lefebvre)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; metmom

Do you have any documentation to refute the information in the article or is your tactic to attack the messenger hoping the message goes away?


29 posted on 02/14/2015 2:11:38 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Arthur McGowan; RnMomof7; HossB86

Ah, the old *You left the RCC because of moral issues* canard.

Making it a wee bit personal there, aren’t you?

Is that the fall back when the content of the article can’t be refuted?

Who put you in charge anyway?

This goes to support my contention that I’ve stated several times that Catholicism is about controlling people’s lives.

They just cannot stand that someone is getting away with something they can’t.


31 posted on 02/14/2015 2:25:50 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: jobim

As usual the anti Catholic author is doing history wrong. Here is an expanded passage to Duffy’s book which while maintaining St Peter did not start the Church in Rome shows why he was regarded as having primacy amongst the Apostles.

http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/d/duffy-saints.html


32 posted on 02/14/2015 2:27:15 PM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: RnMomof7

My issue with the RCC is their reliance on the works of the early Church Fathers to establish doctrine instead of the NT itself. Also the RCC has not been 100% consistent throughout its history when regarding matters of faith, salvation, and doctrine. All I know is that I trust 100% in Christ for my salvation, I give all the glory to him, and do all things in my life to serve his purpose.


33 posted on 02/14/2015 2:27:33 PM PST by LukeL
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To: LukeL

AMEN!


34 posted on 02/14/2015 2:28:36 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

Yes, it’s spam. And you know what I mean. It’s meant with no kindness, no spirituality - it’s meant to chase someone off the thread. I’m getting sick of the cuteness and hypocrisy on these various threads...


35 posted on 02/14/2015 2:37:53 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein

Well, then you can stop showing up and it’ll disappear.


37 posted on 02/14/2015 2:40:43 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: miss marmelstein

That poster is telling the truth. Too bad the ones who need it the most do not see that.


38 posted on 02/14/2015 2:43:26 PM PST by MamaB
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To: RnMomof7

Coincidentally, I happen to be reading Eamon Duffy’s book on the Papacy right now. His quotes are taken out of context, as on the very next page of the book he states that there is little doubt that Peter really was martyred in Rome(on Vatican Hill), and that there is no dispute to this by any source in history.


39 posted on 02/14/2015 2:46:18 PM PST by Bridesheadfan
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To: Arthur McGowan

That’s all you have to counter the evidence put forth in the article? You attack the poster with unsubstantiated accusations put in the form of questions? Is that the depths to which Catholics have to go to defend the religion they profess?


40 posted on 02/14/2015 2:46:51 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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