How the fictional early papacy became real

Beggars All Martin Luther's Mariology ^ | June 7,2010 | John Bugay

[ealgeone]

969 “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation. . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”

Sorry, Mary does not bring us anything at this point in history.

There is zero proof she was taken up to Heaven.

The Bible notes Jesus is our intercessor...no mention of Mary.

The Bible notes The Holy Spirit is our Helper and Advocate....no mention of Mary.

Therefore there is no opposition between the CCC and the Holy Scriptures, diametric or otherwise.

I think we just proved otherwise.

[goodwithagun]

As I posted, you’re free to create your own site at your own expense. Purposefully dividing this community is not the intent of the site.

[ElkGroveDan]

You have no idea how much of a favor she is doing for you.

I'm 53 years old and I've heard such "favors" many hundreds of times. And I am good friends with many Protestant ministers and pastors who have never felt the need to attack my Faith. If you would like to go over a list of sinful human beings, I can do the same with Protestant Preachers who founded their own churches and couldn't keep their pants zipped, but that's not necessary. We both agree that humans are weak and often sin, but we also both believe that Jesus is our Savior so let's just drop the taunts and insults and focus on Him.

[Karl Spooner]

As I posted, you’re free to create your own site at your own expense. Purposefully dividing this community is not the intent of the site.

Who are you?

[Legatus]

Paragraphs before or after mean nothing.

It's that kind of know-nothingism that gives Americans a bad name. I weep for our future. Look, I didn't pull the duty for handling the crazies tonight. I gave you an answer, our salvation comes from Christ fullstop. Apparently you either didn't read it or didn't like it but that doesn't change it.

[CynicalBear]

I think you need to listen to the comments of the RM about debate on the Religion Forum. If it’s not to your liking then you should refrain from clicking on the thread. We believe in free speech still.

[goodwithagun]

Who are you?

[CynicalBear]

>>but we also both believe that Jesus is our Savior so let's just drop the taunts and insults and focus on Him.<<

Which Jesus? The Jesus that paid the full price for ALL our sins and will remember them no more or the Jesus of Catholicism who requires man to pay for some of his own? The Jesus that gives His glory to no one else or the Jesus of Catholicism who Mary has taken some of the glory from? The Jesus who is loving and live within those He calls His or the Jesus who Mary has to cajole to accept some? It's not the same Jesus for Catholicism as the Jesus of Scripture.

[Resettozero]

You shirley know what he meant.

[metmom]

If you would like to go over a list of sinful human beings, I can do the same with Protestant Preachers who founded their own churches and couldn't keep their pants zipped, but that's not necessary.

Well, that little dig deserves the response of pointing out the pedophile priests that the Catholic church has mishandled for decades at the very least.

[goodwithagun]

I’m not Shirley, I can tell you that.

[metmom]

You did just prove otherwise but only for those with eyes to see and ears to hear and hearts to understand.

[metmom]

And the answer to Hoss’s question is what?

A or B?

(We did notice that you failed to answer it)

[MamaB]

They refer to themselves as Catholic not Christians. Why?

[metmom]

Because they are and they are not otherwise they’d ID with Jesus and not a church.

[Resettozero]

I’m not Shirley, I can tell you that.

Prove it.

[HossB86]

It's that kind of know-nothingism that gives Americans a bad name. I weep for our future. Look, I didn't pull the duty for handling the crazies tonight. I gave you an answer, our salvation comes from Christ fullstop. Apparently you either didn't read it or didn't like it but that doesn't change it.

Hmmmm. Still having some trouble answering that simple question? For some obvious "know-nothing" that I am, I'm having issues understanding this whole "fullstop" mess. Let me try again: I asked you who was the mediator between God and Man. Once again, I ask:

969 calls her ‘Mediatrix’. Christ, by his own word, and scripture inspired in Paul, state Christ alone is the mediator between God and man.

It’s a simple question... Who is right? God or the Roman Catholic Cult?

Here... Let me simplify it for you:

Pick one..

A) God
B) Roman Catholic Cult

And yes... It really is that simple.

Hoss

[goodwithagun]

Hmm. I’m not sure of the legal precedent here. Do I have to prove I’m not Shirley, or do you have to prove that I am considering you accused me of being Shirley? Full disclosure: I’m not comfortable with sending my DNA in the mail.

[Resettozero]

Do I have to prove I’m not Shirley, or do you have to prove that I am considering you accused me of being Shirley?

You are correct.

[HossB86]

(We did notice that you failed to answer it)

And, the question will, no doubt, go unanswered. For to answer it honestly would mean to have to refute Rome.

Until God calls, it just won't happen.

I sincerely hope and trust and pray that The Lord does call them to salvation and repentance -- it's sad when bringing the Gospel is translated into "anti-Catholic bigotry."

Hoss