Posted on 02/08/2015 12:34:39 PM PST by RnMomof7
Now please answer my question: Do you know understand exactly what Jesus meant when He was speaking of the difference between Spirit and Flesh? I am not asking you to agree with it, I am asking if you understand it.
I'm thinking Satan loves for people to see Jesus still on that cross.
I must have missed that post. And stop “scolding” me by saying things like “Please pay attention”. I’m not subservient to you and I don’t take kindly to your attitude.
Sorry; that's not what the verse says.
Just what does it say to you then?
Agreed
Hey, Biblical Christian:
1) 1 Corinthians 11:2: “. . . keep the ordinances, as I delivered {them} to you.”
Do you keep these ordinances, delivered orally?
2) 2 Thessalonians 2:15: “. . . hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.”
Do you keep ALL of these traditions, including the ones taught by word of mouth?
3) 2 Thessalonians 3:6: “Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.”
Paul refers to a tradition given by him, which we must keep. Do you know what it is?
4) 1 Thessalonians 2:13: “. . . when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received {it} not {as} the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.”
The word of God is something that Paul delivered orally.
5) Jude 3: “. . . ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.”
How can you contend for a faith entrusted to the apostles, if Jesus left no written words?
6) Rom 6:17 But God be thanked that [though] you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.
But you would ignore this doctrine, because it isn’t written. Too bad for you.
7) 1 Cor 11:23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you
Ditto.
8) Gal 1:9ff But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
Anyone who preaches something differing from the oral apostolic preaching is accursed.
9) 2 Pet 2:21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known [it,] to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.
But never delivered to you, since you don’t receive oral teachings. Not from apostles, anyway.
10) Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent?
You believe preachers without authority, who were never sent.
11) 2 John 1:12 Having many things to write to you, I did not wish [to do so] with paper and ink; but I hope to come to you and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.
John prefers oral teaching to written.
12) Matthew 17:5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!”
Hear him.
13) Luke 10:16 “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.
He said hears, not “reads”. And only those sent by him, not just anybody.
14) Luke 24:45 Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures.
The apostles, not all of the baptized.
15) Matthew 13:11 And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given
Ditto.
16) Luke 8:10 he said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God; but for others they are in parables, so that seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.
Ditto.
17) 1 Timothy 3: 14-15 I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these instructions to you so that, if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.
The Church is the pillar and the bulwark. Not the bible.
It says what it says: that some of the faithful looked into Scripture as a check, to satisfy themselves. It does not instruct us to do the same.
Of course, what they were verifying was an oral teaching.
So you would have ignored that anyway.
Right?
Beats the heck out of empty crosses for empty religions.
Then don't ask questions in a condescending manner, suggesting that I did not answer. Respect works both ways.
But the cross IS empty. Jesus was taken off the cross, buried and then he rose from the dead! He then was resurrected into Heaven where he sits at the right hand of God. He is NOT on the cross anymore.
1 Corinthians 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,
I will stick with the Bible.
Enlighten me.
What secret knowledge does “Rome” have?
What secret knowledge does “Rome” have?
You keep asking stupid questions like that. As if you personally talk to Paul or something. Now, if you are referencing the fairy tales that the Catholic Church says are "oral tradition" you need to prove that what the Catholic Church teaches as "oral tradition" is exactly what Paul was referencing. Surely you don't think all people are so stupid as to think word of mouth over 2000 years is reliable do you?
>>Anyone who preaches something differing from the oral apostolic preaching is accursed.<<
Like I said, prove that what you consider "oral teaching" is exactly what Paul was calling "oral teaching". Let's not be dim witted here. Old Joe Smith had "oral teaching" also. So did that Muhammad guy. Wouldn't it be sort of dim witted to just take someone's word? After all, we are warned about false prophets right?
>>You believe preachers without authority, who were never sent.<<
I do what now? Didn't I just show you that we are to check what anyone teaches with scripture to see if it's true? Have you not been paying attention? Surely you don't think those popes and priests have authority just because they say so do you? You just take their word for it like the Muslims and Mormons take the word of their "authorities"?
>>Hear him.<<
When you have him over to your house give me a shout will ya? I'd appreciate an invite sure as ever.
>>He said hears, not reads. And only those sent by him, not just anybody.<<
Well if you think that pope Francis of yours was sent by him good luck with that.
>>The apostles, not all of the baptized.<<
Who told you that lie?
Acts 15:8 God knows people's hearts, and he confirmed that he accepts Gentiles by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he did to us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for he cleansed their hearts through faith.
Was it the same people who told you the lie that only some "magicsterium could understand? Didn't you just say listen to John?
1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.
>>Matthew 13:11 And he answered them, To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given<<
Jesus continued and explained who the "them" were.
Matthew 13:14In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. 15For this peoples heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.
Are you saying you are "them"? Ever hearing but never understanding"? Are you "them" whose "heart has become calloused"? I'm not.
>>The Church is the pillar and the bulwark. Not the bible.<<
He said the "ekkleisi" not the "church". The "ekklesia" are those called out of the world to be His. Are you not "called out to be His"? The "ekklesia" of Christ are all of those who have been called out to be sons of God. I would suggest you examine your beliefs to determine if you are part of some "church" or whether you are truly "called out by God". Those of us who are know that we are part of that "ekklesia" and are thus the "pillar and foundation" of truth have the guarantee of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
So you “preach Christ crucified”. I guess then you don’t preach RISEN? That happened after he was crucified and it shows that we will be risen one day and sit in Heaven with the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit rather than be on the cross for eternity.
Okay just we are clear, are you saying the Bible is wrong or that Paul is a liar, because your reply does not make that clear.
You also might be reminded that we are not to create icons/idols as evidenced by:
Exodus 20:4 - Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. or
Isaiah 42:8 - I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
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