Posted on 02/02/2015 3:08:42 PM PST by Morgana
The title “Mother of God” has NOTHING to do with Mary’s being an intercessor, or with Mary’s being a “deity.”
Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is God. (Jesus is NOT the Trinity.)
That makes Mary the mother of God. (Not the mother of the Trinity.)
If you deny that Mary is the mother of God, you have to deny that Mary is the mother of Jesus. You have to deny that the Word became flesh. You have to deny that God became man. You have to deny the entire gospel and the entire Christian Faith.
If “God” ALWAYS means “the Trinity,” then the statement
“The Father is God.”
means “the Father is the Trinity.”
Is that what you mean when you say “the Father is God”?
All you’ve done is demonstrate that you are one of the propagandized Protestant I was talking about.
You “know” a priori that all the healings at Lourdes are fraudulent, for instance.
You haven’t demonstrated that any PARTICULAR ONE of the “approved” miracles is fraudulent.
Go ahead. Do it. There are about 100 of them.
What is inspired Word of God?
The Protestant Church in contrary to the Roman Catholic Theology has accepted as Holy Scripture 66 books of the Bible. The collection of ancient Jewish scriptures generally known as Apocrypha (Latin: hidden books) (1 Esdras, 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, Additions to the Book of Esther, The Wisdom of Solomon, Eccestiasticus, Baruch, The letter of Jeremiah, The prayer of Azariah and the Song of the Three Young Men, Suzanna, Bel and the Dragon, The Prayer of Manasseh, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees), have been rejected as divinely inspired by the Protestant church and Jewish tradition.
The following are the main reasons why the Protestants have rejected them as inspired Word of God:
· They were not used by Jesus or first century church;
· They were never quoted as Scripture, due to never being part of the Jewish canonical of Holy Scriptures.
· They were not declared authoritative until the 16th century with the Council of Trent in A. D. 1546.
Discuss the issues, do not make it personal.
Mindreading is making it personal.
Do not make the thread about another poster and be careful of using derogatory invectives.
Premise 1: Jesus is God in terms of the divine essence of His being.
Premise 2: Mary is the Mother of Jesus in the generative sense
Conclusion: Therefore Mary is the Mother of God in terms of generating the divine essence of His being
Jesus is God...God is the Trinity...Jesus is the Trinity...
If you deny that Mary is the mother of God, you have to deny that Mary is the mother of Jesus. You have to deny that the Word became flesh. You have to deny that God became man. You have to deny the entire gospel and the entire Christian Faith.
You just don't know enough scripture...
1Ti_3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
The bible doesn't make that mistake...I don't know why you do...
Jesus had 2 natures...Human and divine...Jesus human body is, human...Mary is the mother of that human body...What is inside Jesus that is not flesh and blood is divine...THAT divinity was provied by the Holy Spirit...Mary is not the mother of that divinity...That's why Mary is not said to be the mother of God in the scriptures...But only the mother of Jesus...
When Jesus died, his spirit went immediately to heaven...His soul went down to the depts of the earth...His body lay dead in the tomb...
If you visit the Vatican website where the actual texts of the encyclicals are available, you'll find that one builds upon the previous, and affirms the Church's teaching.
God bless you!
You “know” a priori that all the healings at Lourdes are fraudulent, for instance.
I didn't say that, did I...I said that only God heals...Churches don't heal anyone...
PLUS, they contradict themselves and have historical errors within their pages...
This is the teaching of Catholic apologetics to Catholics. It is not an attempt at cruelty, but at education in the world where Catholicism is often contradicted by other Christians.
One might rather ask if all Christians should be putting aside their differences, preaching of, and defending Jesus Christ to atheists, Wiccans, even satanists and their ilk. This applies to all followers of Christ.
God bless you!
Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is the Word, the Son, the Second Person of the Trinity, who is God.
Therefore, Mary is the mother of God the Son, the Second Person of the Trinity.
Your theory, that Mary is the mother of a human body, is bizarre. And it’s contrary to Scripture. Scripture says that Mary is the mother of Jesus. Jesus is a PERSON, not a body.
The PERSON who is Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity.
Why don’t you believe Scripture, which says that Mary is the mother of Jesus, who is God?
and what about his Uncle Theodore who is the Uncle of God? How dare you not speak of him, now give me 1000 Hail Theodores.
If you can do anything to get Catholics to start voting pro-life, please do.
Congratulations! You have just fallen into the heresy of Apollinarianism. Namely: You have asserted that the Divine Person takes the place of a human soul in Christ.
You have just helped to prove my point: The more determined people are to deny Mary the title "Mother of God" the more they fall into basic Christological heresies. They deny that Jesus is ONE PERSON. They deny (as you just did) that Jesus has a human soul. They deny that the flesh of Jesus came from Mary's body.
All of these heresies come from hatred of Mary, which will not accord to her the simple title "Mother of God."
You say that Scripture doesn't call Mary the "mother of God."
True. Scripture does not use the phrase "mother of God."
But Scripture tells us that Mary is the mother of Jesus. And Scripture tells us that Jesus is God. Therefore, Scripture tells us that Mary is the mother of God.
When did I say that the people who have been healed at Lourdes are not healed by God? Of course they are.
Jesus didn't even acknowledge Mary as his mother...You are not telling the truth...Scripture does not say that Mary is the mother of Jesus, who is God...
Thanks, and God bless you!
HaHa...Now that's a new one on me...Anything you guys don't have a name for???
Namely: You have asserted that the Divine Person takes the place of a human soul in Christ.
What makes you think a soul is human???
If you can, define what a divine nature is...
They deny that Jesus is ONE PERSON. They deny (as you just did) that Jesus has a human soul. They deny that the flesh of Jesus came from Mary's body.
Don't be making more stuff up...I just posted that Mary is the mother of Jesus' flesh...Don't you read those posts???
I have never denied that Jesus is one person...Of course he's one person...He's also the Trinity...Because Jesus is God and God is the Trinity...
But Scripture tells us that Mary is the mother of Jesus. And Scripture tells us that Jesus is God. Therefore, Scripture tells us that Mary is the mother of God.
Nope...Human logic doesn't supercede the wisdom of God...
I now see why our discussion has been going nowhere. You are totally ignorant of the rock-bottom basics of the Christian Faith. You don't have a clue what is meant by the "Trinity," or the "Incarnation." It is therefore impossible to converse with you about them.
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