Posted on 01/25/2015 3:13:56 PM PST by Morgana
RevMom is correct. The only body that can speak for the UMC is the General Conference. People have a hard time understanding the governance of the UMC, because one would think that someone has a grip on these people, but the truth is that they don’t. They can be a loose cannon if that’s the way they’re inclined.
People who are not from an organized denomination don’t understand the history of our abortion position, so I’ve pretty much given up attempting to explain it. Suffice it to say that the current statement was intended by conservative Christians to boil choice down only to the “life of mother” position.
If you had seen what the statement was in the early 70’s, you would see that it has been chipped away at for decades now. When your governing body only meets one time every 4 years and that only for 2 weeks, then you get some idea how hard change is.
To be honest, just about the only denomination back then with an awareness of abortion was the Catholic Church, the most insightful of positions that they’ve held long before other denomination even got around to thinking about it.
Like I said, though, most aren’t interested in the history of how things develop the way they do.
ping to number 41.
Oh he doesn’t speak for the church, eh? why then for many years was the head of NARAL an ordained elder in the godforsaken UMC?
Oh he doesn’t speak for the church, eh? why then for many years was the head of NARAL an ordained elder in the godforsaken UMC?
I didn’t mean to post that twice, but since FR in its infinite wisdom elected to do so SO MOTE IT BE!! UMC - only denomination to recognize wiccan ceremonies.
IIRC it is the UMC churches in the rest of the world that’s holding the more liberal views of the American UMC churches in check at the Quadrennial meetings.
Sounds like it was a good time period and culture to live in.
WHO was the U.M. clergy that was head of NARAL???
Nancy Keenan, formerly the Montana state Superintendent of Schools, became President of NARAL Pro-Choice America and served until February 2013. Ilyse Hogue Ilyse is an expert in both electoral and advocacy campaigns who has worked with a variety of nonprofit organizations, including Friends of Democracy, Media Matters for America and MoveOn.org.
The UMC does NOT recognize wiccan ceremonies.
December 6, 1999 charges against Webb and Kraus for practicing a spirituality contrary to the teaching of the Methodist church: croning ritual was just a birthday party and therefore should not be subject to public scrutiny.
She did not take part in Wiccan rituals as a practice.
Much of the media attention about goddess worship in churches first focused on an event held in Minneapolis in 1993 called the Reimagining Conference. Most mainline churches, except the United Church of Christ, have withdrawn their funding of the continuing Reimagining conferences.
Neither are UM ordained clergy.. at least NOT according to their bios.
Your comment is not reasonable.
I know the office doctrine written doctrine of the Methodist church regarding Homersexuality. But they WILL NOT DISCIPLINE on the issue. If you tolerate them, that is your real position..........................
This is the same disconnect we see here regarding the RC. What they say and do are not the same.
And it is the same disconnect in us as individuals thus there is a lot of repenting needing to be done. Getting back to the first love as described in Revelation.
Now note I am discussing the institutions here. During the reformation there was a discussion of what were the minimum requirements of a church:
1) Preached the Gospel. This excludes some groups like Mormons, Muslims and Jehovah’s witnesses. Note the focus is the Gospel, not the traditions, or old testament although they there to guide but subject to the Gospel. etc. There is a lot of freedom here, but also a lot of responsibility. This was a new covenant. God rent the curtain from the top and destroyed the old temple. Yet we want the old system because it was familiar.
2) Administer the sacraments - again, guided by the gospels, not tradition and history
3) Discipline - this is probably the most lacking in ALL denominations today because of the insertion of the world view of toleration. But is has the most potential for abuse but if none, we go too far off the path.
Neither are UM ordained clergy.. at least NOT according to their bios.
I do not know his name, but I do remember ca. 1987-90 that he was listed in the Kansas East Conference Journal as an Ordained Elder appointed to the outside position. The Journals are not online, and this is way before consolidation of the conferences into the Great Plains conference. Work that would have led to excommunication in the Roman Catholic Church was essentially condoned by the UMC.
Re: “The UMC does NOT recognize wiccan ceremonies.” please see http://ucmpage.org/articles/wicca_story7.html.
You are right, OFFICIALLY the UMC doesn’t endorse paganism or wicca. Just like homosexuality, they discipline mildly or not at all. Tolerance breeds assent.
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