Posted on 01/24/2015 3:23:43 PM PST by NYer
I agree with His. It's all in scripture.
>>I do hope that you understand the Truth.<<
"thou shalt not eat the blood" is pretty clear.
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The Mikvah has been for salvation since the first man sinned.
Peter affirmed that it still is in the Acts.
The eucharist is a guaranteed trip to the lake that burns.
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Placemarker
Mazel tov! So was Jesus, His mother and the Apostles.
Well, thank you Elsie, for posting an excellent example of Mary following the will of God!
Indeed they did! They call them icons.
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>> “Is Jesus God? I say He is God. What say ye?
So, in some unfathomable way, beyond human understanding, God did die.” <<
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That is not what God’s word says.
God’s word says that a sinless man gave up the spirit of God at the cross, and then said “It is finished,” the required utterance of the high priest after all of the Passover lambs have been slaughtered, and he died.
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No, Icons are forbidden idolatry!
We are forbidden to make any image to focus our attention upon. We are forbidden to bow before any image of any thing “on earth or in Heaven.”
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Is that enough?
That is more than enough. It is agreed that Jesus was fully man and fully God.
Now, did Jesus die as man and as God? Was the incarnate Christ a single entity; at once God and man? Or does the Nestorian doctrine hold true; that the Divine and the human were two separate entities. Even so, would it have been sufficient for Christ to die only in His human form? Or was it necessary for Christ to die in His divinity, that is, as God, in order to redeem us from our sins.In Luke 24, Jesus says to the two disciples, “Behooved it not the Christ to suffer these things, and to enter into his glory?” I believe Christ is at once God and man. And I believe that it was necessary for Christ to die in His divinity in order to redeem us from our sins.
As to Psalm 22. The witnesses were saying that He was invoking Elijah. Was He doing that? Did He truly believe the Father had abandoned Him? Was He interpreting what referred to him in the Psalm? I don’t think he was calling Himself a worm. Other than that, I don’t know.
>>And I believe that it was necessary for Christ to die in His divinity in order to redeem us from our sins.<<
Wow! You have the God/man relationship down pat in your mind don't you.
The Son, the second Person of the Trinity, left the body He temporarily inhabited on Earth, but His divine nature did not die, nor could it.
Now, you like asking questions but you don't answer mine. If Jesus is God and God is one who was Jesus talking to when on the cross he said "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me"?
I go by what the Catholic Church teaches. That wise little phrase of Gandhi's just happens to sum it up well in discussion. Our interpretations differ; that's OK with me. If you believe God hates people as opposed to simply hating the evil they do, that's your prerogative. It isn't my prerogative to hate people, only the evil they do. I am obliged to pray for their conversion- not in the sense of becoming Catholic- but in a personal conversion from evil to good.
I believe that God is infinite, and that no one in this life can fully comprehend Him. I don't think of Him as Santa; rather I think of Him as I did of my parents. They loved me unconditionally, guided me both with kindness and punishments, when I had a lesson to learn. They took care of me and taught me what they knew to be right in how to treat other people. When I was away from my Faith, they let me decide for myself. I CHOSE to be Catholic! My story is in a post a few weeks back.
I loved my parents, but God comes first. I believe the Catholic Church has the greatest fullness of Truth. Do I hate those who believe differently? NO! There are many paths to God. I was not pushed, I think no one should be. Read my posts in forum: I look for commonality; I question to understand. Our Holy Father is praying this month for Christian unity; I support him in prayer.
Some are willing to discuss as good, kind Christians. Others, no. What they believe is up to them, but I, while respecting their belief that theirs is the true belief (why would a person stray from what they truly believed was right? Right? :) ) I hold fast to the wisdom of the Church in following God!
Again I thank you for your kind response. It's the first I've had today...
God bless you!
Matthew 1:25
"And he knew her not till she brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS."
It says nothing about what happened after Jesus was born.
There are several instances in the bible where the word 'till' or 'until' clearly indicates that the preceding action continued. So interpreting this "till' to allow that the abstinence continued after the birth is not unreasonable. Matthew himself uses it again in this context:
Matthew 26:36
Then Jesus came with them into a country place which is called Gethsemani; and he said to his disciples: Sit you here, till I go yonder and pray.
We know that Jesus didn't mean that they should leave as soon as he went to pray. He came back to check on them and expected them to be there.
Here are a couple more:
Acts Of Apostles 8:40
But Philip was found in Azotus; and passing through, he preached the gospel to all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.
Did Philip stop preaching when he reached Caesarea? Unlikely.
Judith 6:4
and thou shalt be stabbed and fall among the wounded of Israel, and thou shalt breathe no more till thou be destroyed with them.
Clearly here the 'breath no more' will continue after the destruction.
There are more, but these show that the word 'till' as used in the old and new testaments doesn't always imply that the action before the 'till' stops afterward.
My interpretation is that the action 'abstinence' did continue after the birth of Jesus. Your interpretation may be different, but it doesn't make mine impossible.
Also, I find it interesting that some posters blame Mary for a 'sexless, sinful marriage' to Joseph as if Joseph had no choice in the matter. I believe that God chose the best people on earth to be His parents, and that they both did what He asked of them.
Love, O2
Enjoy the laugh at my expense, good Christians!
Then focus on your own marital business.
Because not all non-Catholics hate Catholicism.
Judith is gnostic nonsense, not scripture.
Matthew 25 makes it plain that Joseph withheld until Yeshua was born, and then proceeded to follow Hebrew custom, and consummate the marriage.
The proof is in the sons ans daughters they bore, which is acknowledged by the apostles completely.
It is dishonest to attempt to twist it differently, to change Mary into a pagan goddess proxy for Easter.
I'm sure others have already addressed this misinterpretation of scripture with your but, contrary to what you have been told or personally interpreted, scripture says otherwise.
"And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be" (Ex. 25:18–20).
David gave Solomon the plan "for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to the plan" (1 Chr. 28:18–19). David’s plan for the temple, which the biblical author tells us was "by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all," included statues of angels.
Similarly Ezekiel 41:17–18 describes graven (carved) images in the idealized temple he was shown in a vision, for he writes, "On the walls round about in the inner room and [on] the nave were carved likenesses of cherubim."
During a plague of serpents sent to punish the Israelites during the exodus, God told Moses to "make [a statue of] a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it shall live. So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live" (Num. 21:8–9).
One had to look at the bronze statue of the serpent to be healed, which shows that statues could be used ritually, not merely as religious decorations.
Catholics use statues, paintings, and other artistic devices to recall the person or thing depicted. Just as it helps to remember one’s mother by looking at her photograph, so it helps to recall the example of the saints by looking at pictures of them. Catholics also use statues as teaching tools. In the early Church they were especially useful for the instruction of the illiterate. Many Protestants have pictures of Jesus and other Bible pictures in Sunday school for teaching children. Catholics also use statues to commemorate certain people and events, much as Protestant churches have three-dimensional nativity scenes at Christmas.
Using your measure, then carrying a photo of your family would be considered idolatry.
It is when people begin to adore a statue as a god that the Lord becomes angry. Thus when people did start to worship the bronze serpent as a snake-god (whom they named "Nehushtan"), the righteous king Hezekiah had it destroyed (2 Kgs. 18:4).
I can't help but wonder how you behave toward people you meet in person. If you saw a Muslim Extremist physically attacking someone you knew to be Catholic, whom would you help? To whom would you quote Greek and level the insults you're so free with here? Or would you hide, to avoid being associated with an organized religion? No answer expected... Or necessary.
So instead of learning any bible as Catholics, they make sure you learn that...
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