Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

Catholic Exchange ^ | JULY 26, 2014 | Tim Staples

[CynicalBear]

>>O.K., but He sure took the long way around and wasted 1,600 years doing it...<<

He did say in the last knowledge would increase didn't He.

[CynicalBear]

>>EWTN has TV, internet, Short wave, phone streaming; satellite radio: name it.<<

It's filled with lies like I showed here.

[editor-surveyor]

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Another lost, raving, antichrist finds the center of the antichrist universe, and writes a book to lead the lost further astray.

Bravo, Satan celebrates!

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[CynicalBear]

>>Jesus rose from the dead in a physical body which to all appearances was that of a man.<<

That's not what scripture says.

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

[CynicalBear]

Every Catholic should understand the deception in that video. It shows so clearly how Catholicism is built on deception.

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “That is, unless protestants have a different Jesus not born on December 25, killed on good Friday and raised on easter like the roman catholic Jesus..” <<

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Unfortunately many so called protestants haven’t the slightest idea who Yeshua, our savior is.

Born during the Feast of Tabernacles, spending his life denouncing the commandments of men, and sacrificed for our redemption on Wednesday afternoon, risen on Saturday at sunset, three days and three nights, as his own words so plainly declared, many protestants cling to their catholicism, and refuse to know him.

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[editor-surveyor]

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Constantine united the world in traditional paganism, but for a very small remnant, that he and his ‘church’ have persecuted to this day.

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[CynicalBear]

>>Why do you not believe that Jesus could change the bread and wine into His Body and Blood<<

Because He would have been sinning by eating blood and encouraging others to sin also.

[CynicalBear]

>>It can also be concluded, even though the phrase cannot be found in Scripture, that Mary is the mother of God.<<

Only if you apply man's wisdom and not only twist what the Holy Spirit inspired to be written but put words in that the Holy Spirit did NOT use.

Second guessing the words the Holy Spirit inspired cannot turn out well for those who do it. It cannot be disputed that the Holy Spirit chose words for a reason.

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “The Jesus that Rome worships is the exact same the protestants worship.” <<

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Sadly, very true, and our savior’s name is not nor ever was “Jesus,” But Yeshua, Yehova’s Salvation, and as the prophet Joel said, we who call him by name will be gathered up to meet him in the cloud.

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[Iscool]

Jesus, in heaven, remains both God and man. He cannot sin because he sees God as he is, not, as we do "as in a glass, darkly," as St. Paul says.

Jesus can no more see God than I or you can see our souls...God is invisible...And here's something else for you...The glorified Jesus IS God...Jesus can not sin because he is God...

We are capable of being tempted because we do not see God as he is, but only by analogy, through our various experiences in this life.

Wrong on 2 counts...We are capable of being tempted and are tempted and we do sin because of our human nature...The Apostle Paul spent some time with the glorified Jesus Christ and yet he sinned...

And 2...We may not see God but we see results of God and God working in our lives...We are indwelt with God and we are in God...

Jesus, in heaven, remains both God and man.

Again, we are made in God's image...He is not made in our image...God does not have a human nature, else he would be susceptable to sin...And when we are ascended to heaven, we will not have a human nature...

The reason we can have a relationship with Jesus is because he is the physical, visible part of the Godhead...We could have a wrestling match with him if he so desired...There is no reason for God to have a human nature...

You seem to be a Manichean or some other form of Gnostic: "Spirit is good, the body is bad," or "Divine is good, human is evil."

I don't know what Manicheus said, but I know what God says...

Rom_6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Eph_4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Col_3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

Rom_7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Perhaps that scripture means nothing to you...

Was there some guy named Manicheus or something??? You guys have got a lable for everything...If you learn all the labels and Catholic words, you are an intellectual or an expert???

If your religion would have sent you off to a bible school somewhere instead of a seminary where you needed to learn all that stuff, you'd have been far better off...

Our bodies are junk...We've got bad blood...The minute we are born, our bodies start dying...They hurt, a lot... And some of our bodies are downright ugly...They go into the ground and rot...At this time, God did not chose a perfect vessel to house us in...

Php_3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

[CynicalBear]

Mark

[wardaddy]

I try to be fair but those images are unusual to me

[Iscool]

This is your reply. Maybe you could decide which religion really is the most dangerous in your mind... Perhaps Muslim Extremism? That is the one chopping off heads NOW.

They got to you too, eh??? There is no such thing as muzlim extremism...All there is, is Izlam...

[don-o]

Did God die?

Is Jesus God? I say He is God. What say ye?

So, in some unfathomable way, beyond human understanding, God did die.

[don-o]

Great post.

[Mark17]

When one digs a little, one can find they claim their 'Church' IS the kingdom of God, on earth.

Check out the claims of Apollo C Quiboloy, if you want more shock.

[don-o]

Was there some guy named Manicheus or something??? You guys have got a lable for everything...

Christians seek to be aware of the errors of the past in order to recognize them as they persist and arise again.

[daniel1212]

Translation is not complete, or accurate, unless the pictures formed in the readers' minds are the same as those intended by the writers. And, frankly, there are several remarks in the King's English that are no longer understood the way they were in the 1600s.

Thank you for being committed to accuracy, which is commendable. However, that is what i find fault with in new translations, that of too much paraphrasing (and usually without identifying supplied words as the KJV often does), and or relying upon the supposedly better mss, going so far as to exclude the end of Mark as being in the original text based upon about 1% of mss missing it.

But the primary thing is that we heed the basic Truth in any translation.

[delchiante]

Editor, I share minor discrepancies..

the Messiah was born a month before the feast of tabernacles..
Revelation 12 tells us this.. a sign in the heavens that points to a specific day.. it is an amazing revelation that I didn’t fully understand but when I saw it in His sky, it clicked.. and it falls on specific day every year, although it has ‘moved’ in 2000 years (an amazing study)

It was a new moon day, the first day of our Heavenly Father’s 6th month when the Messiah was born. The sign in the sky was the woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet.. (it takes a little explanation but that is a sign in the heavens that revolves around what the world calls the constellation virgo) certainly according to Torah, a new moon day is an appointed time of worship even if it isn’t today..

Ezekiel’s template in 46 then explain exactly how He fulfilled those new moons, Sabbaths and feasts Perfectly!

He was circumcised on the 8th day, per Torah.. and the 8th day of every month ( after the new moon day and six work days) is a weekly Sabbath..

So 8 days old, He had been born and circumcised on appointed days!
Then we have the 40 days of purification which blew me away..

He would have been dedicated in the temple 40 days from His birth. That would be the 10th day of the 7th month- The Day of Atonement! Certainly an appointed day.. and He would have been around to tabernacle with His people five days later..

His baptism was a little tougher but we were given a clue that He was 30 and that immediately after He was led into the wilderness for 40 days ( a shadow from the purification His mother was required to do)

Is it out of the realm that He was baptized on His 30th birthday, a new moon day, the first day of our Heavenly Father’s 6th month?
It would be tough to argue against it given His perfect fulfillment of appointed days up till then..

We do know of His death, burial rest and resurrection (HalleluYah!) all falling on feast days/weekly and annual Sabbaths..

Every major life event fulfilled. Literally.. except for trumpets and the final feast of tabernacles!

I disagree with the three days and three nights but I see the sign of Jonah a little differently and I don’t use the roman days for the week that messed me up when I was trying to figure out the sign of Jonah..

We have allowed Rome to dictate our time.. they have with their counterfeit calendar hidden His new moons, Sabbaths and feasts that only fit His calendar that He prepared for us in His sky..

It is sadly why so many have fallen for good Friday and easter.. and Christmas..
And why Jews can’t see the First Fruits when they wait until the day after their pope Appointed Sabbath day to observe it.. instead of what scripture tells us and the Messiah confirmed was the third day.. (16th day, the first day of the week after the 15th day which is not only an annual sabbath but a weekly Sabbath when Ezekiel 46 template is laid out)

Great deception... we should expect nothing less from a thief, a liar and master counterfeiter..

He is the Word that became flesh!
And His bride can know it.
And be ready for His return...and not let Him catch us asleep..