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Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)
Catholic Exchange ^ | JULY 26, 2014 | Tim Staples

Posted on 01/24/2015 3:23:43 PM PST by NYer

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To: Grateful2God
>>There has to be a leader in there somewhere.<<

Per who?

>>You learned from someone, did you not?<<

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

421 posted on 01/25/2015 1:57:34 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: huldah1776; CynicalBear
I grew up believing in the pre-trib rapture and now I don’t. It’s just not scriptural.

You know what?

It's a non-issue.

I really believe that there is going to be a pre-trib rapture.

I hope to see it in my lifetime. It would be way cool.

If I die first, oh well.

If there's not, I'm still ready to meet my Lord.

It's not a mountain to die on and not an issue that one's salvation depends on.

The biggest issue I see with the non-pre-trib rapture people is the burr they have under their saddle over it.

What's going to happen is what's going to happen and we'll all find out after it's over.

422 posted on 01/25/2015 1:57:40 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: RaceBannon
She conceived Jesus by the "overshadowing" of the Power of the Holy Spirit:

26 - And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city of Galilee, called Nazareth,

27 - To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

28 - And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29 - Who having heard, was troubled at his saying, and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be.

30 - And the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.

31 - Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus.

32 - He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever.

33 - And of his kingdom there shall be no end.

34 - And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man?

35 - And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

-- Luke, 1

423 posted on 01/25/2015 1:58:01 PM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: rwa265; CynicalBear
I fully agree that Mary is the mother of Jesus. I am asking if you agree that Mary is the Mother of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

And the difference is...........

424 posted on 01/25/2015 1:59:33 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Arthur McGowan; BlueDragon
I was not mind-reading. I was describing her activity.

No. Describing my activity is stating that I'm posting from the CCC.

Stating *WHY* IS attributing motive.

BD is correct.

425 posted on 01/25/2015 2:01:05 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: RaceBannon
She got married to the Holy Spirit??

While married to Joseph.

Interesting little triangle going on there.

426 posted on 01/25/2015 2:02:23 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: RaceBannon
She got married to the Holy Spirit??

And, since she bore Jesus, she is called the *mother of God* by Catholics, who then go on to tell us that the triune God is ONE God.

So she is married to the God she gave birth to.

427 posted on 01/25/2015 2:03:31 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: rwa265

The intrinsic meaning of the verse is not changed simply because someone used an archaic word for the verse because when the translation was made, it wasn’t an archaic word.


428 posted on 01/25/2015 2:05:29 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

I said that she opened the CCC looking for little sticks with which to beat the Catholic Church about the ankles.

That is a description of what she DOES. I didn’t speculate as to her motives.


429 posted on 01/25/2015 2:05:30 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: delchiante
>>And it is hard to argue because bibles all have the name Jesus...<<

I showed you how that transliteration happened. It has nothing to do with what the Catholic Church added ABOUT HIM afterwards. The Catholic Church didn't change the name, they only changed taught ABOUT HIM. Why can't you understand that concept?

>>except the fact that a bible could be printed with the name Joshua used throughout the old And new testament thanks to newer translators.. and it wouldn’t change one truth in scripture..<<

Nor does using the transliteration Jesus.

>>He didn’t let me stay there.<<

I very much doubt it was Him who didn't let you stay there.

>>And Truth is the goal..<<

And the truth is that it's not the name Jesus that has been corrupted but what is taught ABOUT HIM.

430 posted on 01/25/2015 2:06:18 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Are you familiar with the distinction between Original Sin and Actual Sin?


431 posted on 01/25/2015 2:06:42 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: rwa265; metmom
>>I am asking if you agree that Mary is the Mother of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.<<

Define "mother".

432 posted on 01/25/2015 2:07:33 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: metmom; CynicalBear

I fully agree that Mary is the mother of Jesus. I am asking if you agree that Mary is the Mother of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

And the difference is...........


Is there a difference to you? Is Mary the mother of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?


433 posted on 01/25/2015 2:08:12 PM PST by rwa265
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To: CynicalBear; Grateful2God

It comes back to the fact that Catholics CANNOT wrap their minds around the concept that you can go to God without going through man and that we do NOT follow man.

G2G, we follow CHRIST, and the one who leads us to Him is the HOLY SPIRIT.

There does NOT *have to be* a leader for people to follow. Jesus told people to *Follow ME*.


434 posted on 01/25/2015 2:09:36 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: rwa265

OK, let me rephrase that.......

And the difference is...........????????????

What exactly?

You keep differentiating.

What’s the difference?


435 posted on 01/25/2015 2:10:42 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: rwa265

Been there done that. That’s why I so closely scrutinize the original Greek against the translations. It’s been an eye opening experience. And I understand that people are most often sincere in their view. Satan has his little tricks to take people off track and insert doubt. It’s only those who are searching for the truth from the Holy Spirit rather than some fallible man who will find the truth.


436 posted on 01/25/2015 2:17:07 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: what's up

I posited the hypothetical (which actually is the reality, accept it or not) because,in the effort make your points, you and others seem dismissive of Mary, the actual mother of our Lord. Regardless of your thoughts on her Immaculare Conception, I hope you can aknowledge that Mary had a unique role in the history of salvation. Indeed, she is the first Christian, and the person closest to Christ. She bore Him, gave birth to Him, raised Him and stood beneath His cross.


437 posted on 01/25/2015 2:20:43 PM PST by I-ambush (Don't let it bring you down, it's only castles burning)
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To: metmom

Well put!


438 posted on 01/25/2015 2:21:18 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: metmom; CynicalBear

To me, there is no difference. When I think of Jesus, I think of Him as our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And I think of Mary as the mother of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I see from your tagline that you call Jesus the Author and Perfecter of our faith. When you think of Mary as the mother of Jesus, do you also think of Mary as the mother of Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith? And do you agree that Mary is the mother of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?


439 posted on 01/25/2015 2:39:52 PM PST by rwa265
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To: don-o
Hold on right there. You have posited a non sequitur. No one will ever say that Mary had has or ever will have a divine nature. Her relationship with God was always, by His grace, the nature that we struggle to obtain in this earthly life.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Col_3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

We as born again Christians do not strive for a new nature...We already have it...

440 posted on 01/25/2015 2:41:15 PM PST by Iscool
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