Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

Catholic Exchange ^ | JULY 26, 2014 | Tim Staples

[rwa265]

The angel Gabriel told Mary that the holy Child that she would conceive in her womb, give birth to, and name Jesus, was the Son of God. Given that the Son of God is God, this makes Mary the mother of God.

[terycarl]

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[boatbums]

'If by the end of the day tomorrow (1/28/15), you can show me a Bible text that says that the apostles were not at the crucifixion, I will immediately donate an additional $100 to Free Republic...'"

It'd be a GREAT idea to just donate $100 to Free Republic anyway, right?!

I'm not betting you, but I'd like to know if this is this another RC trick question like, "Show me in the Bible where I can find the word "Trinity"".? Or, "show me where the the Bible says sola Scriptura" or "Bible alone"? Well, we don't have any specific verse that says, "none of the Apostles were at the crucifixion of Jesus". What we DO have, however, are passages from all four gospel accounts that indicate ONLY the women were present at the actual crucifixion and only the Gospel of John that mentions John was there beneath the cross as Jesus finally died. There's nothing that says the eleven WERE there, either. Here are the passages (note: Jesus tells the Apostles that they will ALL fall away and desert him):

Then Jesus told them, “This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: ‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’ But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee.” Peter replied, “Even if all fall away on account of you, I never will.” “Truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “this very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times.” But Peter declared, “Even if I have to die with you, I will never disown you.” And all the other disciples said the same. (Matt. 26:31-35)

“You will all fall away,” Jesus told them, “for it is written: ‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.’ But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee.” Peter declared, “Even if all fall away, I will not.” “Truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “today—yes, tonight—before the rooster crows twicee you yourself will disown me three times.” But Peter insisted emphatically, “Even if I have to die with you, I will never disown you.” And all the others said the same. (Mark 14:27-31)

“Am I leading a rebellion,” said Jesus, “that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me? Every day I was with you, teaching in the temple courts, and you did not arrest me. But the Scriptures must be fulfilled.” Then everyone deserted him and fled. (Mark 14:48-50)

The centurion, seeing what had happened, praised God and said, “Surely this was a righteous man.” When all the people who had gathered to witness this sight saw what took place, they beat their breasts and went away. But all those who knew him, including the women who had followed him from Galilee, stood at a distance, watching these things. (Luke 23:47-49)

Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman, here is your son,” and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home. (John 19:25-27)

On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. (John 20:19-20)

[terycarl]

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the post above was the United States tax code.

[terycarl]

Lol. Some on here are really funny.

You're right...I love threads like this...I learn a lot and NEVER feel animosity toward anyone...it is a lot of fun and VERY entertaining!!!!! (I think God likes it too)...

[terycarl]

Nobody knows where she lived, where she died, or where she was buried. Even the apostles themselves never again even mentioned her.

she was probably assumed into Heaven by then...after all, would the Apostles have been so crass as to ignore her if she was there????....

[terycarl]

They have bet their lives on it. They have bet their eternity on it.

The really big bucks would say 2,015 years of history and truth beats about 60 years of what's happening now....

[terycarl]

All Christians at that time were Catholic. Why do you keep spreading that lie? And this lie: but from day one of Christianity, Catholics began to write the Bible

if they weren't Catholic, which "denomination" were they???

If, from day one the Catholic Christians hadn't started to write and save the Bible, they would have been derelict in their duties....they weren't!....say thanks!

[terycarl]

Another falsehood.

you are Peter, and upon this Rock I will build my CHURCH....

it was so nice of you protestants to come along one thousand six hundred years AFTER the fact to set us straight....THANKS!!!

[terycarl]

they were the only ones there What happened to the Jews, the Egyptians, etc????

Well I looked and looked and looked and sure enough, there were no Jewish versions of the new testament and I doubt very much whether or not the Egyptians would have compiled the old and new testament books into a Bible....Nope, must have been those pesky Catholics......there was no one else there to do it....God has His ways you know!

[Alamo-Girl]

Jesus was a Jew. The Apostles were all Jews...

[terycarl]

Let's see - Matthew was Jewish; Mark was Jewish; Luke was Gentile; John was Jewish; Paul was Jewish; James was Jewish; Peter was Jewish; Jude was Jewish... What were saying again about the Jews not writing the Bible? By my count, I can only see 2 books in the New Testament that were NOT written by Jews (Luke and Acts, both written by Luke).

So that means that you are still a Jew....NO, well once they became followers of Christ, they were Christians....that's what it means.

Christ was a Jew also, but I think that we can be fairly confident in now calling Him a Christian.......THINK.

[Mark17]

The really big bucks would say 2,015 years of history and truth beats about 60 years of what's happening now....

LOL. Go ahead, bet eternity on it. Maybe at the pearly gates, if you and St. Peter have mercy on me, you might have the power to let me in. 😇🆒

[Mark17]

The really big bucks would say 2,015 years of history and truth beats about 60 years of what's happening now....

LOL. Go ahead, bet eternity on it. Maybe at the pearly gates, if you and St. Peter have mercy on me, you might have the power to let me in. 😇🆒

[terycarl]

I guess what you're saying is ""It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is." Do they worship our God before they worship a God who doesn't exist or just do it in a poor way. My goodness, talk about a convoluted sentence.

Not convoluted at all...NO, they don't worship the God that we do, however, that makes them no less responsible to Him than we are. They will have a hard time explaining their goofy religion to Him when its time to do so and I don't think that their 21 virgins are going to help a lot. There is only one God....we are all accountable to Him....we are going about it the right way....they are REALLY taking the long way around.....maybe they'll make it, we are not to be the judge of that. I have trouble enough with my own salvation and have no time to worry about theirs!!!

[terycarl]

as written by who?? Mostly Jews were the writers of the Bible. Moses wrote the 1st 5 books sometime before 1400 BC. Was Moses Catholic? That refutes the falsehood that you keep posting that Catholics wrote the Bible.

everybody agrees that the old testament existed......I need to think of a word that you understand here.....transcribed, formulated, editors of, compiled....O.K., Lets go with that....The Catholics took the old testament from the Jews, wrote down EVERYTHING in the new testament and formulated...compiled the book that we all know today as THE BIBLE.....TA DA!!!!!!see how easy it is???

[CA Conservative]

Christ was a Jew also, but I think that we can be fairly confident in now calling Him a Christian.......THINK.

You are being willfully ignorant (or just ignorant). Being a Jew is both a religious and ethnic identity. My wife is Jewish, but also a Christian. The apostles did not stop being Jews when they were saved - they were just no longer under the Mosaic law (Old Testament) but under grace (New Testament).

And since "Christian" means "follower of Christ", Jesus couldn't actually be called a Christian, could He? He doesn't follow Himself, after all...

[CA Conservative]

It comes right after the one where you show that she sinned...

"For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God..."

Your turn!

[Mark17]

The really big bucks would say 2,015 years of history and truth beats about 60 years of what's happening now....

LOL. Go ahead, bet eternity on it. Maybe at the pearly gates, if you and St. Peter have mercy on me, you might have the power to let me in. 😇🆒

[terycarl]

Have a nice day, it is now 12 noon where I am, and it's hot, like near 90. 🆒

I could recommend that you get used to the heat....but that wouldn't be prudent, would it..?????:):)