Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

Catholic Exchange ^ | JULY 26, 2014 | Tim Staples

[delchiante]

Yup, days like new years day or July 4th or Halloween, or christamas or easter.. or mothers day r groundhog day.. or or or or..-—

[terycarl]

They know Catholics won't search the scriptures...Even if they did, they became convinced they couldn't understand the easy, plain words of scripture anyway...

like "THIS IS MY BODY" for example....very difficult to understand!

[CynicalBear]

>>Jessus, God, did indeed die...the only sacrifice that was acceptable to the Father was His son...God...a mere man would not have been sufficient.<<

So the man nature and the God nature of Jesus cannot be separated but the Trinitarian nature of God can be separated is that it?

[CynicalBear]

You still haven't shown how kecharitōmenē can be made to mean "full of grace".

[CynicalBear]

>>Yup, days like new years day or July 4th or Halloween, or christamas or easter.. or mothers day r groundhog day.. or or or or..-—<<

Wow! I didn't realize the Galatians were celebrating those. Surely you have documentation to show they were right?

[CynicalBear]

>>like "THIS IS MY BODY" for example....very difficult to understand!<<

For Catholics it surely is!! Do you eat the pages of your Bible as well? You know, like Jeremiah ate the scroll.

[terycarl]

But from where I sit, I see most of the Catholics on this forum talk about the unity of the Catholic religion... Talk IS cheap; isn't it! "I just HATE what our new Pope says in public!" "I just LOVE our new Pope as he is for the little people!"

Good grief, to be united in the Catholic religion doesn't mean that we all have to agree with everything the Pope says in daily conversation....sheesh

[terycarl]

What's your take on your FELLOW Catholics who HATE Protestantism?

Catholics don't hate protestantiam, they hate the fact that someone is perverting the Christian church which they have guided and protected for 2,015 years....

[delchiante]

Christmas and its ‘season’ is older than you think..

And paul didn’t give the names of pagan days, etc.. thy tend to evolve overtime..

Weeping for Tammuz dates back to Babylon.. today, it s called lent..

Names change.. the roots all go back to Babylon..

Esther and Ishtar and easte, the list goes on..

Paul was also quoted to tell at least one of his letters, imploring them to keep the feast of passover...
I think it was to Corinthians but I don’t have it handy..

Was Paul sending mixed messages? There are some that believe that.. I do not

[Alex Murphy]

On that basis, anything not in the Scriptures that does not contradict a Scripture, can be a truth! So, since pizza has never been shown in Scripture to hurt your prayer life, we can now teach that pizza improves your prayer life by making you closer to God.

That's what I've heard!
You gotta have faith - in the Pizza Hut billboards? [Atlanta apparition from 1991]
Face of Jesus Christ appears in three-cheese pizza

[Iscool]

The confusion exhibited in your post seems to emanate from the fact that you try to take every single word in the Bible in a literal way.

Every single time, when possible...Why would God write a book of fantasies to give to us??? Why would God hand us a book with over 30,000 chapters in it with most of them not true???

When you see that "Luke 23:46" says

Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last.

while "John 19:30" says

When Jesus had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished”; and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

So what then??? One of the writers of scripture lied???

Jesus job was finished...He knew the end...He knew his spirit and soul would depart...When it says he gave up the ghost, it doesn't necessarily mean that he died right them...It doesn't say he took his last breath as it does in Luke...It may have been his mental state that all had been accomplished and knew there was no more need for his spirit to stay around...It doesn't say the ghost left...It says he gave up the ghost...

Could be and apparently was he had one more thing to say before he took his last breath...And he did as can be seen in the book of John...

(By the way, did you notice how John says there in his Gospel that Jesus had received the "vinegar" (a type of wine back then)?

I certainly hope you are not trying to justify that priest's total blunder of an attempt to put Mat. 26:29 into Calvary...

Mat 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Apparently then you are suggesting we shouldn't take this verse literally either...

What did your religion ever do before Scott Hahn showed up??? I wasted almost an hour listening to the 'pitch' from Hahn...Sorry, I'll stick with the bible as opposed to Hahn's fantasies...

[Iscool]

Tell me the exact Bible text that says that the apostles were not with Christ on the cross, as you claim in your post.

You never read it eh??? Have you read any scripture at all??? You're trying to teach us about God and you don't even know what God says...WoW...

[terycarl]

I once got an invite to join Mensa.

yeah, the Postal Service misdirects a lot of mail....

[Iscool]

Jesus rose from the dead and ascended into heaven. Those are active verbs. His body was not brought back to life, He rose.

Jesus rose with a dead body???

[terycarl]

If you are going to object to "Catholic" teaching, make sure that what you are objecting to actually IS Catholic teaching

She is a fallen away Catholic who appaarently has no concept of what the church teaches.....or she wouldn't be fallen away!!!

[editor-surveyor]

You are obviously misunderstanding what Paul is telling the Galatians.

Start with Acts 28:23-24, where Luke explains the gospel of the kingdom that Paul preached.

Acts 28:

[22] But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect, we know that every where it is spoken against.
[23] And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
[24] And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
[25] And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
[26] Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
[27] For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Then slip over to 1Corinthians 11:2 where Paul praises them for following the ordinances he taught them, and I'm sure that you will see the conflict that your take on Galatians creates.

1Corinthians 11:

[1] Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
[2] Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

These words, unlike most of what Paul writes, are plain and clear, and direct to the point, leaving no room for twisting nor turning, nor 'dividing.'

[2nd amendment mama]

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[Iscool]

Do you have any evidence that this sentence was written in order to resolve the question of whether Mary was sinless? Is Paul discussing Mary's alleged sinlessness at this point in Romans?

There was no question of Mary's sinlessness...It's a non bible issue...All have sinned...

Are infants sinners? Are the retarded sinners? What sins have they committed? The verse says ALL have sinned.

Why do you even question it??? God said ALL have sinned...Because your humanist philosophy can't figure it out means it's not true???

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “Wow! I didn’t realize the Galatians were celebrating those” <<

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The Galatians were being coerced into celebrating the days that christmas and easter represent. The days of the sun god. The days that the virgins were “prepared” by the sun god priests, and the days on which the babies born to those virgins were offered to the idol, in the middle of the bonfire.

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[CynicalBear]

Your statement makes absolutely no sense. To intimate that Paul was talking about pagan holidays is contrary to what he said.

Galatians 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

What bondage?

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were bound; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

When the vale was rent at Jesus death all the ceremonial laws were finished and done away with. The Israelites were bound to the ceremonial laws of sacrifice, feast days etc to atone for sins against the moral laws. Christ is the atonement for those sins now. If you insist on those ceremonial laws you negate the death of Christ in your life.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

You want to judge someone who doesn't keep the ceremonial laws?

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

The Israelites were never "under bondage" to pagan festivals and holy days.